They call us "Elitists"

They call us limousine riding, birkenstock wearing, Starbucks drinking Liberal Elitists.

And we fight an administration:
Which supports Tax Cuts for the Rich
Which has it's least wealthiest member having an oil tanker named after her
Which has the President's family having an Island Compound

And yet, we're the people who are out of touch with the mainstream? We're the Elitists?

And the worst part is, that they get away with it. :banghead:

Labeling the opposition with the very traits you exhibit to prevent the opposition from tarring you with the same brush.

But facts don't come into it, much.

Democrats tend to be better educated, so that supposedly makes us elitists. Actual money doesn't come into it much, except when Kerry has it.

Let the rightwingers stuff their precious Freedom Fries up their @$$es!

Maybe some working class people drive limos for a living but we sure as fuck don't ride in them on a regular basis. I absolutely despise birkenstocks, they make me want to grind my heel into the foot of the person wearing them. And you couldn't pay me to set foot in a Starbucks, I hate trendy bullshit and I don't drink coffee.

I'm more of a ride the subway, construction boot wearing, beer drinking, blue collar elitist.

Whenever I hear some conservative pundit state that liberals thing that voters are stupid idiots who are not smart enough to vote for Democrats, I think of the references here to sheeple and Joe Six Pack and similar terms. I figure that most of that is frustration. Obviously, if we cannot either educate people or appeal to them in a way that is meaningful to them we will never win many elections. Calling voters names does not accomplish much positive.

Maybe the conservative boards do the same thing when referring to voters who don't see the true light. I hope they will be doing even more of that when there aren't many Republicans elected.

Idiot is an understatement.

Just don't be surprised when some consider you to be an elitist, if you portray yourself as better and smarter than the average American.

After this election, if a Republicans say that people are sheeple or morans because they don't know what is good for themselves and voted for Democrats, most of us would consider them to be elitists who are not in touch with the average American.

I don't consider myself more than average in intelligence.

I do consider myself informed enough to be a voter in a democracy.

There are millions of them out there who are willfully ignorant and intolerant.

I'm sorry if it hurts their feelings when people call them what they are.

and intolerant (in a large country like this a small percentage would still amount to millions of people), most people who do not vote Democratic do not meet that definition.

If they did, we could never appeal to them and would never win another national election. Rather than being ignorant and intolerant most of them have are reasonable intelligent and wish the best for their community and country. They may not agree with us on policy questions at times, e.g. taxes, how to fight terrorism, how to combat poverty, etc.

I don't see how we can be democrats (small "d") if we believe that the people that democracy relies upon are ignorant and intolerant.

Sorry you cannot accept the fact TWICE you voted for an @$$hole who laughs at you behind your backs!

Limousine liberals may be annoying, but they are always preferable to a limousine conservative.

I'm not a Christian, I'm a Buddhist, but as a detached liberal, my observation is that you should take a look in the mirror when you criticize sometimes

Progressives are moral elitists, they think their more cosmopolitan and expansively compassionate leanings are superior to the simple life outside the big cities and Ivy-league scripted prime time television, they think their version of tepid Christianity or humanism is superior to the community-centered Christianity of the small towns

I believe in progressive energy policy, specifically algae biofuels, which you are all probably ignorant about, while you rant against the war

I believe in freedom of information, I believe in progressive taxation, I believe in fighting corruption

but when it comes to this moral elitism crap, progressives better do some more soul searching

Interesting first post.

I grew up in "community centered Christian town" and I can attest that the people of that town are no more ethically moral than the rest of us. They use religion to control and manipulate, putting a fish on their business cards as if that really means anything.

exactly, nobody is morally inferior to anybody else, not even those evil people who want to control women's reproductive systems or lie to wage endless wars with other people's lives. we stand and fall as a country, not by devouring each other like cannibals. we must win on having better ideas, not on the idea that we are better.

They came into public schools and had "puppet shows" at the end of which they would jovially say, "How many here are Baptists" and all the Baptist kids would scream and yell. Then they said, "How many of you are not Baptists" and the other kids would scream and yell and then the preacher of the biggest church in town would say, "But cha wish you were!"

So, tell me, why can't they leave us alone?

Because in case you haven't noticed, it's the 'community centered Christians' that aren't leaving the rest of the people alone.

The only 'moral elitism' I see is coming from the Right.

There's your "moral elitism" -- you're practicing it! It's only the Republicons who go around telling everyone the morals they should have: Americans should support the war and the pResident, shut up if they don't, go to church and pray for a return to "values" this country never embraced uniformly....

There's a huge difference between educating oneself to all the facts and being a "moral elitist", which in Republican parlance equates to being ignorant out of subservience to group think and labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you as hostile to "the American way of life".

Thank you for your wisdom, oh Perfect Liberal!

Two posts and you're already predicting what people here are ignorant about!

As for moral elitism, you'll meet plenty of progressives here who are Christian in faith and rural in residence. Don't buy the hype.

is that "morally elite" enuff for ya?

Go to one of these towns, and let them know you are NOT a Christian, that you think algae biofuels work, and that you believe in progressive taxation, and see what happens....

You will soon discover MORAL HYPOCRISY!

Back when we were all in school, they would have called us "teacher's pet" or "nerd" or some other stupid name to refer to our tendency to study, read, look for answers.

More of us have college degrees. To junior high school dropouts who quit going to school in 6th grade because the math was too hard and got in the way of goofing off, people who can spell and add and think critically are elitists. We had the opportunities they never had, because they lost those opportunities getting stoned at recess.

couldn't think of anything else to do.

Why do you think they support tax cuts for the rich? They want to be serfs. They fear the wealthy and their retribution if they get annoyed. Anyone who is unwilling to show subservience to the rich must be elitist.

They support tax cuts for the rich, not because they (mistakenly) believe that it will spur economic growth, but because they want to be serfs. So we absolutely know why tax cuts for the rich passed? It could also have been that most voters didn't want this, but got it anyway. But we know best.

mistakenly believed they were in the top 5% in terms of wealth in this country. And those who weren't thought they would be "soon." So, yeah, I'd say lots of people ignorantly supported these tax cuts because they thought they would benefit from them either now or someday "soon."

probably was, a part of the American culture. People were brought up to believe that they could succeed through hard work.

Of course, some others may have supported tax cuts for the rich, not because they ever thought they would benefit directly, but thought it would benefit the economy and indirectly their jobs and income. You and I may not believe in "trickle down" economics, but others might.

And sometimes we vote for or support something that doesn't benefits up directly, but seems like the right thing to do, e.g. civil rights or women's rights, if you're a white guy. We might think that a guy who votes for a tax cut for the rich that he will never benefit from is an idiot, but he may believe he is doing is for unselfish reasons.

How dare you call us elitist you fucking slaves!

Irony personified.

...you've got it all wrong.

Actually we're all smelly pothead hippies who don't believe in material possessions and can't hold down a job for more than two minutes.

Oh, sorry, that was the official GOP Retarded Liberal Stereotype for last week. I lose track sometimes.

The way people here bash rural people as backward troglodytes just helps the Pukes, STOP IT!