North Korea Threatens Missle Attack On Guam and Hawaii

This story is being reported in newspapers around the Pacific rim, yet the U.S. mainstream media and the Bush administration has shown a remarkable degree of restraint. Perhaps the news regarding the earthquakes in Hawaii and Papua New Guinea are grabbing all the headlines. I guess we should applaud the Bush administration and the mainstream media for not using North Korea's fiery rhetoric to justify a build up in the region.

Afterall, its not like the Bush administration would ignore an obvious threat to our Nation's security. We should disregard the empty North Korea's empty rhetoric about attacks, missle firings and nuclear tests. I trust that the Bush administration has weighed the threat and accurately determined that its not credible, hence no word of this alleged threat in Austrailia's press.

An unofficial spokesman for North Korea in Japan, Kim Moyong Choi, during an interview with ABC Radio Australia yesterday, said North Korea may attack Guam, Japan and Hawaii if tougher sanctions are levied against the country.

http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061017/NEWS01/610170301/1002

North 'ready to fight'

North Korea is raising its level of rhetoric against the United States as international pressure increases on Pyongyang.

The North's unofficial spokesman in Tokyo, Kim Myong Chol, says North Korea may attack Japan and the US if tougher sanctions are imposed on his country.

Mr Kim claims North Korea may test a hydrogen bomb in a show of force.

He says his country would begin by attacking US military bases in the Asia-Pacific region and on the US mainland.

"We consider the UN resolution as an act of war," he said.

"We are ready to fight with America.

"We attack America, we attack US bases where ever in the areas...Japan, Guam, Hawaii and the US mainland."

http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1764510.htm

do they need to be tougher than that?

Of course, W attacked Iraq who carried an even lesser threat to us.

But he's blown his wad, the money and our troops.

It's their short range missiles (which go further than the long range missiles) that we should be worried about.

only chance in the world they have of hitting either one.

THEN we'd have the troops we need for Iran, er I mean Iraq.

designed to discredit Bush. Only out government tells the truth, and the truth is that Iraq posed an imminent threat, and that North Korea's threats to develop nuclear weapons over the past six years were empty rhetoric. Heck, the nuclear test did not occur, we don't know it was nuclear, and if it was nuclear, then its Clinton's fault, right?

No one can take North Korea seriously, since their leader looks goofy.

so why would this Nuclear Test stuff be liberal propaganda? Why would nuclear tests in North Korea be Clinton's fault?

Sorry, but the development of nuclear weapons is a national security concern for us all. If Bush cared, it might make a difference. But how much does a politician, who puts a disproved sales pitch for taxcuts above a solution, really care about national security?

I hear threats from North Korea all the time.
They have threatened to invade South Korea at least fifty times since I started working here (1997).
No one should ever underestimate Gim Jeong-il. He's crazy, but he's also smart -- a bad combination.
However, his government also never ceases with threats to it's neighbors and the US. The odds that he would ever use any weapons against US targets is remote and minimal as China would crush North Korea, kill him and annex the country as their newest province.

How are the South Koreans taking this news? Are they "blowing it off" as "just another day in the life," or is there a real sense of apprehension?

I was wondering, do you think the Russians would get in on the act of attacking NK if they did something? It seems, here lately, that Russia and China work in concert on many things. Although Russia only touches NK, I was thinking, with the permission of the Chinese, they could also roll into NK.

that China can wipe out Korea, I hope that this thing could be discussed diplomatically.

If this happens, this will be the end of the Bush Presidency. As much as I hate that lying, cheating, murdering SOB, I don't wont this to happen. This is sad and North Korea should be taken seriously.

Bring it on...

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Hawaii is a blue state - and Guam doesn't vote. The North Koreans are much easier to deal with than them Diebold foks.

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How many times are we gonna play this stupid game?

We only attack countries that do not represent a threat to the U.S. If we were going to attach North Korea, we would have done so in 2002, before the Iraq war, when North Korea announced that it would begin to enrich Plutonium. North Korea actually has WMDs, so we will pick some easier target to invade. Perhaps more troops to Iraq, because if Islamo-Fascists or whatever will develop nukes some day if they are allowed to prevail. North Korea has been safe for the past few years, because we've been bogged down in Iraq, and now they have nukes. What can you do?

I would begin by firing JOhn Bolton and Rumsfield, but that's not going to happen either.

no dateline, no rush to send the fleets into the region Bush actually spends little time concentrating on N.Korea, he has other priorities.

we have to stop this bullying of other nations, can't bush keep his mouth shut.

Here is a 2003 article discussing the Bush's administration's strategy with respect to North Korea in 2003. Three years later, it is apparent that the strategy backfired.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0421-08.htm

Published on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 by the Daily Telegraph (UK)
Rumsfeld Calls for Regime Change in North Korea
by David Rennie in Washington

A secret Donald Rumsfeld memorandum calling for regime change in North Korea was leaked yesterday, opening a fresh foreign policy split in the Bush administration.

The classified discussion paper, circulated by the defense secretary, appears to cut directly across State Department plans to disarm Kim Jong-il, the North's dictator, through threats leavened by promises that his regime is not a target for overthrow.

The paper does not call for military action against North Korea, but wants the United States to team up with China in pushing for the collapse of Kim Jong-il's bankrupt but belligerent regime, the New York Times reported.

In a sign that Washington is girding itself for a repetition of the bitter rows that preceded the Iraq conflict, the memorandum was leaked on the same day that a senior State Department negotiator flew to Beijing for three-way talks with China and North Korea.

Officials working for Mr Rumsfeld are implacably opposed to the talks, pointing to North Korea's long history of extorting aid and concessions in return for promises - never kept - to behave in a more reasonable way.

Instead, they seek to use the salutary effect of the rapid victory in Iraq to push North Korea to scrap its nuclear weapons program immediately.

They also want to demand weapons inspections across the country. That would be an unthinkable concession for a Stalinist police state that bars even aid agencies from a third of its territory.

This raises the prospect that Washington would be urging inspections for form's sake and with little hope of success, much as happened in Iraq.

Even before the American envoy, James Kelly, arrived in Beijing for the talks, there were signs of new North Korean brinksmanship.

Pyongyang released conflicting statements last Friday, saying in an English language text that it had started reprocessing spent fuel rods into plutonium, a dramatic step that would place it only months from producing several nuclear warheads. However, a Korean version of the statement said that Pyongyang was merely poised to begin reprocessing.

These PNAC bozos care only about the oil and the strategic positioning that the Middle
East offers the United States. North Korea has nothing that we're interested in. So,
when North Korea openly possesses EVERY bullet point that BushCo used to justify an
Iraq invasion--Bush does nothing.

It's not about democracy, or spreading freedom. BushCo's downplaying of the NK threats--
reveals that in neon. NK has a nuke, and has fired it off. Now, they're threatening to
bomb us. If Iran did this, we'd be bunker-bustering them into the next galaxy. We
invaded Iraq based on what we ASSUMED they had. Now, it turns out, that NK has the
WMD, the "ruthless dictator" and he's also made direct threats.

We've got a real situation on our hands--complete with real WMD and a real threat--and BushCo is collectively downplaying it.

Can the idiots who plan to vote R in a few weeks--please notice the glaring and sickening hypocricy....please?

:thumbsup: Can the idiots who plan to vote R in a few weeks--please notice the glaring and sickening hypocricy....please?


Well those who aren't worried about the Dems taking away their precious tax cuts, that is. We know that is all the 1% care about.

swaggering, macho speeches and then go onto to more important things, like keeping my kinfolk stinkin' rich.

But, they've really put everybody into a panic mode, no?

Heck, in 2002, North Korea announced that they would begin enriching uranium, and Bush didn't do squat. Instead, he invaded Iraq. I think there is a legitimate threat posed by a nuclear North Korea. Heck, the Clinton administration recognized this, and even considered, but ruled out, a missle attack.

Even if NK doesn't have the capability to lob nukes at us today, the capability exists and they seem to be pursuing it. They seem to be making progress toward the goal.

People say the country is a shambles, but it has somehow survived for more than 50 years. I doubt it is going away tomorrow, and I doubt there is some fundamental flaw in their system that will somehow put the genie back in the bottle.

What's weird to me is that the official focus of the govt. is a James Bond plot (what if terrorists get their hands on a small nuclear device?) and not a nation, with scientists, with an army, with nukes, with some missiles, developing more missiles.

War is obviously not the answer, but why do so many here share the administration's apparent unconcern over North Korea?

aggression with NK on both sides. Why can't someone stop this idiot in our whitehouse before shit really hits the fan. Without a regime change here at home all bets are off on living out the rest of my life in any semblence of safety and security. I went through the Cuban Missile Crisis as a young impressionable kid and I haven't forgotten it either.

Mr Kim claims North Korea may test a hydrogen bomb in a show of force.

:rofl:

suspect this is all a load of sheep dip.

How anyone can believe anything that our goverment or the media has to say just blows my mind.

I don't know about that. What do the unofficial U.S. spokesmen who live in North Korea say?

GOP is skrewed come 11/07 all options are on the table as Rice puts it!

After all, he has 4-million soldier Army and he wants to put them to use. So why not boost up his nuts by attacking the once-greatest nation on Earth.

Hit 'em while there down is his logic.

and I find this terrifying, as a matter of fact while I stood outside my home two days ago with the earth moving under my feet and all the cars in the driveway WAGGING back and forth as the concrete ROLLED and Buckled, one of my first thoughts was that Honolulu had been HIT by N Korea and that the radiation would be here in seconds. I ran upstairs to gather my toddle and wife, thinking only of some kind of lead shield somewhere on the Island, getting to an MRI room or something..

This bullshit needs to END, Bush is NOT obeying his Oath to the Constitution and PROTECTING US, the Citizens, instead throwing his hands up like a POOF and wimping out..

If My family gets killed here by N Korea, this govt will have an enemy for the entire length of my life. They can count on that.

WHERE is the Media? All day long two days ago it was all Hawaii this and Hawaii that and they can't GO ON ALL DAY ABOUT Bush's FAILURE?

They'd better HOPE there is no nuke hitting this place.

trying to sabotage talks with North Korea. Of course, the intervening events have proved him correct in the assessment that pursuing regime change was inconsistent with reaching a diplomatic solutions to the North Korean nuclear crisis.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/0304...

Kucinich: DOD Memo Calling For Regime Change in
N. Korea Counterproductive To Goal Of Disarmament

On Eve Of Key Negotiations Secretary Rumsfeld Is Circulating
A DOD Memorandum Calling For Regime Change in N. Korea
On the eve of negotiations with North Korea, and our allies in the region, the circulation of a Defense Department (DOD) memo calling for regime change in North Korea is counterproductive to the goal of disarmament and raise questions about the Administration’s commitment to the talks, stated Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) today.

Kucinich, Ranking Member of the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations, issued the following statement:

“Recent press accounts that Secretary Rumsfeld, on the eve of disarmament talks, is circulating a DOD memorandum calling for regime change in North Korea is inflammatory and is undermining efforts for a negotiated settlement.

“Such a memo, circulated so close to the beginning of negotiations, is counterproductive to the shared goal of the international community of the nuclear disarmament of the Korean peninsula.”

“President Bush should caution Secretary Rumsfeld, whose irresponsible behavior is damaging to peace talks. The United States must work with our allies in the region, and the world community, to encourage peaceful disarmament.”

Katrina response in New Orleans -- it's like pearl harbor, they allow the infamous first stike then rally the troops - the election no doubt is playing into this sad to say...

..fucking dicks!

we ignore? :shrug:

- tie nuke to deck of sub
- sail into convenient harbor submurged
- boom

with the woeful security for our ports, shipping containers represent our largest vulnerability. Five years after 9/11, has anything been done. Again, its like Katrina, where the government has numerous studies warning about the integrity of the dikes. There are numerous published reports and news articles talking about the U.S.'s vulnerability in port security. We like to reassure ourselves that North Korea does not have a missle capable of intercontinental delivery. The key question is do we currently have in place measures to ensure that a shipping container travaling from North Korea does not contain a nuclear device. I think that is why everyone agreed to language allowing inspections of Korean cargo in the UN sanction resolution.

* Bans sale to, or export from, N Korea of military hardware
* Bans sale or export of nuclear and missile related items
* Bans sale of luxury goods
* Freezes finances and bans travel of anyone involved in nuclear, missile programmes
* Allows inspection of cargo to and from N Korea
* Stresses new resolution needed for further action

The problem now as in then is that it requires other potentially hostile countries to enforce it. However, even in the wake of North Korea's nuclear test, China is not enforcing the UN inspection requirements, thus the U.S. remains vulnerable to a shipping container attack.

http://www.dispatch.co.za/2006/10/16/Foreign/ff1.html

Bottom line: North Korea's lack of a inter-continental missle offers little reassurance that the U.S. is secure against a nuclear attack.

I'm pretty hungry.

lot.

Ten years from now, it could be Iran thanks to Dubya's masterful handling of non-proliferation. Heck, ten years from now with a few more years of Republican control, the question will be who is not in the nuclear club.