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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:26 AM
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Voting clues from the past. Focused theft versus widespread theft.
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 09:55 AM by higher class
In 2000, we started hearing the drumbeat about 'swing state'. That State was Florida. And they stole the election with a long list of creatively stinky methods - from roadblocks and misinformationn given by civic employees to jokester ballots to number changing to Washington door pounders posing as Dade County citizens.

In 2004, we heard the beat about Ohio. And they stole it with the same list - adapted.

Both involved machines, tricks, and the media.

Concentration on one state made the machine and media job easier. It certainly made the Rovian job of figuring out how many votes to steal and from where easier.

In this important mid-term - the theft required to hold is so geographically spread out that they will have to suffer the loss of the media working for them to make the theft credible. Their geographical ability to steal in some of the races is not a given based on if and which machines are available to manipulate and how closely the state is looking at reliability and security. It will take hundreds of Rovians to come up with the correct mathematical calculations and communicate them. Not good for them.

How do they pull off theft and give PNAC more days like yesterday? And will it be with or without the corporations who own the networks - GE/MS, Time Warner, Murdoch, Disney, Viacom, etc.?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:40 AM
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1. Good question. I feel that theft will come in states they control most
of the infrastructure - like SC, Texas, Utah, probably Georgia.

While we're concentrating on states like Ohio, they'll sneak in and steal a few seats we aren't expecting.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:40 AM
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2. I think it will be difficult to steal this election
There are up to 60 House seats that are in play. That would require coordination between too many players and lead to too many chances of someone telling the plan. They may pull off some districts, but I doubt they could pull it off in all the districts. It's easier when they steal an election in one state when the secretary of state is corrupt.

Also, most think the Dems will take the House and have subpoena power. Lower level folks don't want to cooperate with voting fraud if they think they may be caught.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:44 AM
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4. That's an excellent observation.
I hadn't thought of that.

Also, most think the Dems will take the House and have subpoena power. Lower level folks don't want to cooperate with voting fraud if they think they may be caught.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:11 AM
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5. Yes, the more they spread out the more some citizens pull in and the
greater the chances of whistleblowers popping up sooner or later.

Also, PNAC rewards those who perform. They need to keep the circle small - diminuation of monetary rewards and - they can't expand it that much because reward ceremonies will stick out. :o)
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:41 AM
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3. They may concentrate on maintaining a bare majority in the Senate.
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 09:41 AM by drm604
That may be the best they can hope for. I'm not sure what the numbers are for the Senate, is it possible for them to maintain a slight majority there by playing with just a few close races? If so, what are those races and should we be concentrating on them?
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