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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:09 PM
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Hey DU! Chertoff says the Internets is turning people into terrorists
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 03:06 PM by BlueEyedSon


Chertoff: The internet is turning people into terrorists
Snip from a Reuters item:

Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday.

"We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the internet," Chertoff said on the sidelines of a meeting of International Association of the Chiefs of Police. "They can train themselves over the internet. They never have to necessarily go to the training camp or speak with anybody else and that diffusion of a combination of hatred and technical skills in things like bomb-making is a dangerous combination," Chertoff said. "Those are the kind of terrorists that we may not be able to detect with spies and satellites."

Chertoff pointed to the July 7, 2005 attacks on London's transit system, which killed 56 people, as an example a home-grown threat. To help gather intelligence on possible home-grown attackers, Chertoff said Homeland Security would deploy 20 field agents this fiscal year into "intelligence fusion centers," where they would work with local police agencies.

via boingboing: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/18/chertoff_the_interne.html

Direct link (Wired): http://wired.com/news/politics/0,71958-0.html?tw=wn_index_16
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:18 PM
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1. OMG, there's terror in the tubes!
Maybe if we fill the tubes with more movies, we can clog them up so the terrorists can't get through them!

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:03 PM
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24. Did y'all know Chertoff means "Of the Devil" in Russian?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:19 PM
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2. = we had better curtail internets access for the citizenry! nt
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:38 PM
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10. plug those tubes!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:23 PM
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3. Chertoff: a radical-thinking man with a handle on what his job requires
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:23 PM
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4. This may be what gets Net Neutrality,
back on the front burner after the election. I just heard that Joe Lieberman made the statement that he would change his vote, and if i remember correctly it was only held back by one vote.

That can't have my internet!!!!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:49 PM
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35. I believe Bill Moyers is doing a special on PBS this evening
on the threat to the internet.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:27 PM
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5. I believe this is serious
It appears to be a warning of where this administration is willing to go to curtail political opposition. It is a small step from preventing bomb making instructions to stopping the voices calling for peacefull regime change. Soon even DU may be considered a terrorist breeding ground and shut down. Then what? I've never thought of my country as being gone but now it appears that we are watching a descent into fascism. Wow.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:28 PM
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6. Well, yeah. Recommend the thread pls!
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:35 PM
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8. Very Serious
so where do we go because we can't get info from MSM - why the internets - of course they want to shut it down....

Jesus we are doomed....
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:39 PM
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11. then K&R this thread. Because we need to stand up and inform people
even though I make jokes about tubes.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:51 PM
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15. I did
I was the first to recommend it and I kicked it by posting to it....
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:54 PM
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16. thee and me have voted; WE NEED 3 MORE, folks.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 01:56 PM
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39. Dissident Soviets typed illegal newpapers, one copy at a time
The news will spread, internet or no internet.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:02 PM
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22. Uh oh! No more posting requests for Google bombs 'round here.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:30 PM
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7. Give me the Internet (DU particularly) or give me death!
Oh wait a minute, the dumbass signed the Military Bill thing yesterday, didn't he?
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:36 PM
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9. SKINNER, ELAD, EARLG - If you are reading this
get your servers and databases backed up to a FOREIGN location ASAP! I suggest somewhere in the Netherlands.

when they pull the plug here, you'll be up and running out of the country
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:24 PM
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28. Ya know that is a great idea! n/t
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:40 PM
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12. If they do anything to silence our voices on the Internet
we have to move it to the streets? right?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:41 PM
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13. which one?
Certainly not ALL internets would turn people into bogeymen, would they? :scared:

Well gee, what's a little ol' American like me to do? Is it time to wrap myself in saran wrap again? Eat powdered milk? Ohhh the fear. Why oh WHY must terrorists suddenly show up before EVERY SINGLE ELECTION SINCE 9/11???

:eyes:
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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14. heh... anyone learning about bomb making over the internet...
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 02:44 PM by Shipwack
... is probably in for a big surprise.

Not only (IMHO) is this a skill that you really should learn from a person to pick up valuable skills, but I'm sure by now the 'net is flooded with plans for explosives that are just -slightly- off...

Didn't the CIA or FBI do that in the 60s? Send around bogus copies of the "Anarchist Cookbook" with the recipes for explosives and drugs just wrong enough to kill anyone trying to use them?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:08 AM
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37. Making an atom bomb is easy ...its getting the elements that's hard to do
:nuke:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:01 PM
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17. Don't you dare use your MIHOP crimes against internet users Chertoff!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:19 PM
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18. kick
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:33 PM
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19. Aw fer cryin out loud.
If we could just go back to the good old days of 1951 when everybody knew their place...geez.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:33 PM
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20. Well, all you have to do is visit freerepublic.com to know it's true.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 03:59 PM
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21. This is too much.
Too bad he won't be able to charge them with conspiracy.


Chertoff must be an idiot to let someone make him read that.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:03 PM
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23. Has anyone blamed Al Gore for this yet? lol
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:22 PM
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30. wrong guy. It's clinton's penis' fault.
obviously
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:37 PM
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33. but but but AL invented the internets tubes, right?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:09 PM
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25. Another blow to the first amendment.
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 04:10 PM by intheflow
:cry:


Quite honestly, if they weren't stripping us of the Constitution, they wouldn't have to worry about seditious citizens. Dumb fucks!

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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:10 PM
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26. Who and what are responsible for creating disaffection? HMMMMM
:freak:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:24 PM
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27. Did he finally discover rec.pyrotechniques? n/t
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:38 PM
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29. Excuse me?
:wtf: Are we going to turn into China now, where people won't have free access of information? My question is this: When the right-wing talk about "freedom" what exactly do they mean by it? Because they've been working overtime taking away the freedoms I care the most about.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:24 PM
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31. Free your mind with available information = "radicalize" on the Internet
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:25 PM
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32. I guess they have read the conservative/Freeper websites.
Now those are some radical websites.

Dap
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LibinMo Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:41 PM
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34. K & R
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:33 PM
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36. HERE is the model they will use: IRAN~~~~~
Iran's internet service providers (ISPs) have started reducing the speed of Internet access to homes and cafes based on new government-imposed limits, a move critics said appeared to be part of a clampdown on the media.

An official said last week that ISPs were now "forbidden" by the Telecommunications Ministry from providing Internet connections faster than 128 kilobytes per second (KBps), the official IRNA news agency reported. He did not give a reason.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyid=2006-10-18T143910Z_01_BLA852298_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAN-INTERNET.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-R1-MostViewed-3
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 01:11 AM
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38. "may develop radical ideologies
and potentially violent skills over the internet"


"Potentially violent skills" - Typing faster than a speeding bullet.

"Develop radical ideologies" - Thinking for one's self.

OMG! ;)
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:02 PM
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40. Chertoff is a Lawyer
He knows WHAT about fighting terrorists ? ? He knows WHAT about technology ? ? He is another in a series of people appointed to positions in which they have no competence whatsoever.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:10 PM
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42. Now now, they are competant enough to say yes to their masters
That should be worth something.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:05 PM
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41. Jack Rabbit says the Bush regime is turning people into terrorists
!!
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 02:37 PM
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43. Yeah, the people aren't changing... the definition of terrorist is.
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