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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:49 PM
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Would nancy Grace suspend habeas corpus and legalize torture?
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 12:39 AM by madmusic
I think the answer is an obvious YES.

1. Like Bush, she thinks in black and white, good vs. evil, and there is never room to negotiate and there are never any extenuating circumstance.

2. Like Bush, her real goal is her own egoistic power and the claims of "compassionate conservatism" are only manipulations to justify power grabs with the public.

3. Neither she nor Bush really care about victims or they don't care as much in comparison to the potential grab of power they offer. Victimization is an opportunity to wield more power and compassion is only an excuse to grab it.

3. Grace and Bush would never lose a minute's sleep over the executed which is another sure-tale sign of power over compassion.

4. Both rely on unwavering principles and think they can do no wrong even as some around them die or are killed due to their actions.

Am I being sexist or merely pointing out the obvious?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:49 PM
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1. Is the pope's ass pork?
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:53 PM
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3. Good question, maybe.
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Temporary1 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:50 PM
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2. She has a long history of rolling over and letting herself be trod on
I wouldn't doubt it, really. She didn't demand Hastert's resignation when he voted for torture.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:54 PM
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4. How do you figure?
Seems to me she is terrified of getting trod on and will go to any length to avoid it.
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Temporary1 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:07 AM
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7. Haha
I think we agree on Pelosi's spine (or lack thereof) here.

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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:21 AM
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8. Oh, you makes sense now.
Enjoy your stay.
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Temporary1 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:22 AM
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9. True, if I didn't read that "nancy pelosi"
err, it falls the same for both of them.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:24 AM
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11. Not at all.
Pelosi doesn't spend every waking moment trying to figure ways to punish people.

Temporary is right.
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gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:04 AM
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5. I personally don't care what she thinks...
Please people...what difference does it make what she thinks....???

The issues facing all of us today are bigger than any one tv "journalist"...bringing us the info-tainment-news....!

Sorry...

:wtf:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:23 AM
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10. Yeah, and KO is nothing and can have no effect.
And Grace and her clones can't do ANY damage to the Constitution.

How's the view with your head in the sand?
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gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:12 AM
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18. okay...thanks for accusing me of not paying attention....but...
I do agree that KO can and does make a difference...generally...and hopefully for the better...but...as KO numbers keep going up the reverse is true for O'liely...and as an average american (small letter intentional), feel that most of us are getting "the clues" to the agenda of the repukes and the current "media rulers"...we know spin when we see and/or hear it...come on...give us some credit...

For the minority that still believe in the tooth fairy...I pity them...

I don't think most americans are that stupid anymore...KO is verbalizing what most of us think and feel...that's probably why his numbers are so high...

I don't waste my time anymore watching what the media is spoon feeding the american public...I truly get most of my information from this forum and or C-span....

:toast:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:20 PM
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24. No offense.
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 01:43 PM by madmusic
Maybe I'm not clear.

Bush says, "Terrorists are evil and we must sacrifice our Constitution to fight them."

Grace says, "Criminals are evil and we must sacrifice our Constitution to convict them."

disGrace is not alone is propagandizing this. There is an entire machine, well oiled and efficient, that repeats the mantra.

I think many Americans are indeed catching on to the BushCo, as you say, and many hate disGrace, but not enough people realize the interconnection between the war on terror and the war on crime. Again, I'm trying to argue that BushCo could never sacrifice any of our Constitution if we were not well groomed for it over the last 20-30 years. The message is so pervasive, for one example, that we shut out what happens inside prisons and rationalize it with something like, "If you don't like getting raped, don't go to prison. It's not supposed to be a health club." Any of that sound familiar?

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gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:39 PM
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33. Good Point...I suggested this a year ago here in one of my posts
Yep...we are being groomed and it's been going on for years...keep telling someone that their new kitchen wall is "wrong" or a mistake every time you see them and/or the wall and 3 months or years later after repeating your "disgust" for their wall and when you finally suggest that maybe things would be better if the wall wasn't there...they will finally agree with you...and most likely take it down...not realizing that they were manipulated into it...

My post a year ago was about the "costs" of social welfare...and how the media has painted "clients" of the security net created to help the poorest of the poor as lazy and not wanting to work...or it costs too much...etc.

My final point a year ago was that we can't pay for our militarism unless we dismantle those programs that keep us from becoming a third world nation...not enough money to do both...

But I now understand your perspective...and boy...yes do I agree with you...my bad for not understanding completely what you were saying...

The effort has been underway to destroy our civil rights for at least 5 years...with the introduction of the US Patriot Act...and now the MCA...

Again, I really don't watch the spoon fed news anymore...it's too ridiculous and too apparent to me what is going on...I guess I've become a true pessimist as I grow older...

Thanks for the clarifications...makes sense now...
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:58 AM
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36. Self fulfilling prophecy:
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 04:15 AM by madmusic
And a book argues exactly that: http://www.amazon.com/Urban-Nightmares-Media-Right-Panic/dp/081664361X/">Urban Nightmares: The Media, The Right, And The Moral Panic Over The City.

Book Description
For the past twenty-five years, American culture has been marked by an almost palpable sense of anxiety about the nation's inner cities. Urban America has been consistently depicted as a site of moral decay and uncontrollable violence, held in stark contrast to the allegedly moral, orderly suburbs and exurbs. In Urban Nightmares, Steve Macek documents the scope of these alarmist representations of the city, examines the ideologies that informed them, and exposes the interests they ultimately served. Macek begins by exploring the conservative analysis of the urban poverty, joblessness, and crime that became entrenched during the post-Vietnam War era. Instead of attributing these conditions to broad social and economic conditions, right-wing intellectuals, pundits, policy analysts, and politicians blamed urban problems on the urban underclass itself. This strategy was successful, Macek argues, in deflecting attention from growing income disparities and in helping to secure popular support both for reactionary social policies and the assumptions underwriting them. Turning to the media, Macek explains how Hollywood filmmakers, advertisers, and journalists validated the right-wing discourse on the urban crisis, popularizing its vocabulary. Network television news and weekly news magazines, he shows, covered the inner city and its inhabitants in ways consonant with the right's alarmist discourse. At the same time, Hollywood zealously recycled this antiurban bias in films ranging from genre thrillers like Falling Down and Judgment Night to auteurist efforts like Batman and Seven. Even advertising, Macek argues, mobilized fears of a perilous urban realm to sell products from SUVs to home alarm systems. Published during the second term of an American president whose conservative agenda has been an ongoing disaster for the poor and the working class, Urban Nightmares exposes a divisive legacy of media bias against the cities and their inhabitants and issues a wake-up call to readers to recognize that media images shape what we believe about others' (and our own) place in the real world-and the consequences of those beliefs can be devastating. Steve Macek teaches media studies, urban and suburbia studies, and speech communication at North Central College in Naperville, Illinois.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:07 AM
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6. Don't ask us. Ask her.
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 01:06 AM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED for typing

While I can't stand her, I don't really know where she stands on the issues. I suspect the answer to the question is yes, but I would not say that it is "obvious."
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:27 AM
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13. All right, on a scale from 1 to 10...
How obvious?

What gets me is the rage at Bush over the burning of the Bill of Rights and yet we turn a blind eye when it is subverted from within. One could not happen without the other. There is no way in Hell BushCo could get away with this when the Democrats were liberal.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:07 AM
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15. I'm not the one who said "obvious". You are.
You made the accusation. You prove it.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:04 AM
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16. Life good down in that hole?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/05/04/625/41523">Conviction Upheld Despite Nancy Grace's Misconduct

And...

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/06/18/332/28176">DNA Clears Father of Murder of His Child

How many times do you hear Nancy Grace, Jeanine Pirro, Wendy Murphy, Mark Fuhrman and other prosecution oriented tv analysts proclaim a parent guilty of murdering his or her child because, they claim, statistics show that this is almost always the case?

snip

Fox had given investigators an incriminating statement, Glasgow said, and, "There was other evidence that we had in our possession to corroborate the statement. Based on that, we had probable cause, and we had clearly a legal basis to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

snip

Next month, a landmark law goes into effect across Illinois, requiring police departments to begin electronically taping custodial police interrogations and confessions. Illinois was the first state to pass the sweeping legislation in 2003 and has since been followed by others.

Taping, however, will not resolve the problem of false confessions unless police officials re-evaluate the techniques they use to elicit those statements. Why did Kevin Fox spend eight months behind bars, haunted by the thought that prosecutors sought his execution? That demands a careful study by police interrogators.


And...

The issue shouldn't be whether Mark Geragos gets another case or whether http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/05/04/963/64147">Nancy Grace is a disgrace to the legal profession. The real issue is why does the American viewing public tune in night after night to see a person presumed to be innocent get ravaged, tried and convicted on sheer speculation by former prosecutors, cops, forensic experts and criminologists who have no first-hand knowledge of the facts or evidence in the case?

Gary Condit, John and Patsy Ramsey--none of them were charged, let alone convicted, of the crime for which they were under investigation or "the umbrella of suspicion." Yet former prosecutuors went on tv nightly proclaiming their guilt based on rank speculation.


And...

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/09/18/459/90390">Reviewing Nancy Grace

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1874696,00.html">Marcel Berlins reminds us that trial by television is still going strong in the United States, "with sometimes tragic consequences." In the courtroom of television, Nancy Grace is chief judge and head executioner.


And...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/20/GRACE.TMP">Guilty or not, here she comes -- Nancy Grace brings mob justice to CNN

If one looks at every page of every transcript since "Nancy Grace" debuted three months ago, the program more closely resembles a torch-bearing mob than the "legal issues" show that CNN promised. Grace has created her own parallel universe in which guests are berated for advocating due process, panelists are invited back frequently if they make ad hominem attacks and suspects are seemingly guilty until proven innocent.


And...

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/03/01/089/84419">Nancy Grace: Reality Check

While I agree that her distortions aren't exactly outright lies and have little bearing on her career I do think that it says something very important about the Victims' Rights Movement. This is a movement that isn't just arguing in favor of greater access to the system for victims of crime (usually, after all, V-Rights refers to the family's of victims anyhow) but actually actively alleges that the victim's personal experience represents a more valid form of truth than the legal system can afford. Grace never attempted to look at the documents to make sure she had the facts right because the facts matter less than her emotions of outrage and violation. In order for victims' rights to have any meaning, the system must continually fail to punish wrongdoers. So, Grace invented a fantasy-world in which "The System" was responsible for taking her fiance away -- and this justified her questionable practices as a prosecutor and is the very foundation for her entire on-air personality, in which the legal evidence available in, say, the Natalee Holloway case matter much less than Natalee's mother's "feelings" about the case. A cult of victimhood is essential to right-wing politics, which rejects democracy and legal fairness because it fails to deliver "justice." It is, unfortunately, only a short hop from Grace's made-up version of her victimhood to totalitarian legal theories. Nonetheless, I still think Nancy is a one of the funniest people on TV.


And...

http://www.printculture.com/item-643.html">Reading Nancy Grace

Pound says Mussolini is "right in putting the first emphasis on having a government strong enough to get... justice (p. 45).” Nancy Grace says, “The most important thing to me, regardless of the circumstances, was getting justice for the victim.” They both want first and foremost to get justice, though they are not themselves the wronged parties.

But getting justice is not the proper role for a prosecutor. The purpose of a criminal trial is to establish what happened. It is not a battle between a single person who mystically possesses the truth in advance, carrying it tucked under one arm like a football, and a massive system bent only on stopping them from reaching the end-zone of final vicarious vengeance.

In a murder trial, there can be no real justice. You can’t get back what was taken away, not by frying the most likely suspect or by stuffing them into a cold stone box to rot away the rest of their life.

When I was young, sympathy for victims was seen as the congenital weakness of the liberals, who were invariably called bleeding hearts. Today it is the conservatives who worship a cult of martyrdom validated by varying degrees of pain, revelling in stripes you earn by lashing yourself. So these days a TV personality denies being a journalist and dissociates herself from truth-twisting attorneys, and instead derives her authority by painting herself a victim speaking for other victims.

Glorified suffering is the bedrock foundation of popular conservativism. The real objection to the pathos of liberalism is that all external sympathy is misplaced, that any available sympathy should be drawn toward my own collapsed ego just as light is drawn backward into a black hole, that your sympathy and my own self-pity should merge perfectly with no wasted remainder.


And...

http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/50objection.html">STILL STRIKING FOUL BLOWS

Nearly three-quarters of a century ago, the Supreme Court of the United States, expounding on the legal and ethical responsibilities of a prosecutor, announced that “while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones. It is as much his duty to refrain from improper methods calculated to produce a wrongful conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one.” Berger v. United States, 295 U.S. 78, 88 (1935).

To Nancy Grace, the Supreme Court’s admonition is bleeding-heart twaddle.

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Nancy Grace’s discussion of the Central Park Jogger Case furnishes an excellent example of how she manipulates the facts to serve her pro-state agenda. In 1989 a young woman jogging in New York City’s Central Park was beaten and sexually assaulted, and the following year five young men were tried for the crimes. The case involved, Grace claims, “the brutal gang rape of a woman who’d been left for dead.” At the trial, Grace asserts, the defense attorneys adopted a “blame the victim” strategy, thereby demonstrating that they “were not interested in pursuing the prevention of violence against women.” Grace omits an important fact. Whatever the truth of how the defense attorneys proceeded (Grace’s account of the presentation of the defense case at the trial is not necessarily to be trusted), the defense attorneys were totally unsuccessful in that all their clients were convicted and sentenced to long prison terms. You would never know from reading Objection! that the defendants were found guilty.

More importantly, Grace conceals the fact–firmly established before Grace wrote her book–that actually there had been no gang rape and that the five young men charged and convicted were innocent on all counts. She neglects to mention that these young men served up to 12 years in prison for crimes they never committed. She also conceals the fact that police had induced these young men, all minorities, into making the false confessions which were used to convict them. Over two years before Objection! went to press, the trial court, with the consent of prosecutors, granted the defendants’ motion for new trial based on newly discovered evidence. People v. Wise, 194 Misc. 2d 481, 752 N.Y.S.2d 837 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. New York County 2002). From that decision setting aside the convictions, we learn that the defendants’ innocence was proven by DNA evidence and by the volunteered confession of the actual criminal, Matias Reyes, who had acted alone. See also Davies, “The Reality of False Confessions–Lessons of the Central Park Jogger Case,” 30 N.Y.U. Rev. L. & Soc. Change 209 (2006).


There's a lot more left for searching tomorrow.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:15 AM
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21. Thank you, but . . .
You have only firmly established that which I already knew: Nancy Grace is one of the worst personalities on television and the prosecutorial ethics she advocates are questionable. For her, accusation is proof. For me, a prosecutor who isn't concerned about facts and circumstances and just wants to put any poor schmuck away for a heinous crime isn't doing his (in this case her) job. A miscarriage of justice is never justice for the victim or anybody else.

However, you have accused her of supporting torture. You said it is "obvious" that she does. Yet you have presented not one shred of evidence to support this accusaton.

You can present evidence and even prove that she assassinated President Kennedy or was behind the September 11 attacks and still not prove that she thinks waterboarding a confession out of the accused is a good idea.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:10 PM
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23. Can we be a little realistic here?
You know I can no more PROVE she would support torture and suspend due process that I could prove BushCo would do so after 9/11. All I can do is prove, though circumstantial evidence, that her authoritarian personality is a near match with Bush's and the results would probably be the same. Indeed, disGrace would probably be much more dangerous to the Bill of Rights if she had any authority over them on the national level.

Not only that, if it were me who found John Couey and it were possible Jessica Lunsford were still alive, torture would sound like a damn good idea. The difference, Grace wouldn't mind institutionalizing it while suspending all the due process she could based on that one dramatic and extreme case. She's the perfect Big Brother propaganda machine.

My only point is disGrace and her ilk are as dangerous to the Constitution as BushCo is. Ignoring them won't do.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:45 PM
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27. Thank you
While I agree that she displays an authoritian personality and deserves poor marks for her attitude toward due process, you can't prove more than that. Unless she makes a comment on the MCA, neither of us can assume how she feels about it.

I tend to think you're right, but I won't state it as a fact established to any standard of proof that satisfies me. Even Nancy Grace is innocent until proved guilty, if only in the court of public opinion.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:16 PM
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28. As Steven King says...
Nancy Grace — puffy-cheeked, helmet-haired, heavy-lidded, strangely expressionless even during her frequent rages — conveys by body language alone the idea that we're all guilty of something...and she knows it. Her specialty is the sorts of tabloid crimes The National Enquirer used to cover in the bad old days, when car-crash photos and Mexican decapitations were staples. George Pelecanos, James Ellroy, and Michael Connelly are able to elevate such horrors to art; Nancy Grace degrades them so deeply into the fleapit of the imagination that a week of her makes Dick Cheney highlight reels look good. And like Puritan elders, Wild West hanging judges, or Madame Defarge knitting in the shadow of the guillotine, Nancy Grace gives the sense that somehow, someway, she just knows whodunit.

But not even veteran Grace watchers could have been prepared for this autumn's spectacular, when Ms. Grace kicked around the dead body of Melinda Duckett for either 30 or 60 minutes a night, depending on who else in this great land of ours was being stabbed, raped, or abducted.

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Enter Nancy Grace. It's hard to tell if Melinda Duckett knew of Grace's penchant for ambush interviewing, or her seeming fantasy life as Perry Mason in a pink power suit; if she didn't, she found out. Grace repeatedly asked, while overriding Duckett's attempts to answer: ''Have you taken a polygraph?'' (Her lawyer told her not to.) ''Where were you?'' she later trumpeted, pounding on her desk. ''Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?'' The next day, Melinda Duckett crawled into her grandfather's closet and blew her head off with his shotgun. She had to be identified by an arm tattoo. Anyone with the smallest shred of decency would not have run that pre-suicide interview, but Nancy Grace isn't just anyone. She ran it — with a small graphic at the bottom of the screen saying Melinda Duckett's body had been found that afternoon.

If Trenton Duckett is dead, Nancy Grace is in the grotesque position of having to hope Mom did it. If not, the part Grace may have played in Duckett's death is almost beyond thinking about. If Duckett did kill Trenton (the police now call her the prime suspect), she's beyond the reach of the law and of no further help in finding the boy's body and easing the agony of his father or of his grieving relatives, and Ms. Grace almost certainly bears a responsibility for that, though she denies it.

more: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1540592_34725780_0_,00.html
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:33 PM
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29. Will a confession do?
CALLER: Hi. Is it possible for the FBI or the law officers involved in the case to use sodium pentothal on Mr. Ricci and find out if he has any involvement with this girl’s disappearance? Whether or not it can be used against him after?

KING: Nancy, is that allowed?

GRACE: Oh, how I wish, Larry! Unfortunately, it’s not allowed under our Constitution. No sodium pentothal, truth serum, no beating, no torture. We have to wait for Ricci to crack. That’s right.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh050203.shtml
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:48 PM
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30. Ah, ha!
She stands accused.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 04:56 PM
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31. That entire story is TOOOOO much.
Here's how it really works:

http://criminaldefenseblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/hey-nancy-grace-your-objection-is.html">Hey Nancy Grace - Your "Objection" is Overruled

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Nancy, let me tell you what I do.

I review the evidence against my client and advise him or her what I think. They then determine whether to take a plea or proceed to trial. If they proceed to trial, I prepare a defense.

Although I advise what I think a jury may do, I do not determine guilt or innocence. If my client tells me he wasn't there, didn't do it, or didn't do what they said, I still prepare a defense because I do not know if my client is guilty or innocent. I do not take the state's word for it, nor my client's. My job is to protect my client's rights and force the state to meet their constitutionally mandated burden of proof.

I do not apologize for that to you, nor anyone else.

I do not lie in court or put on pejured testimony or false evidence, nor do I advance arguments that have no basis in fact. The ethics rules do not permit this. I do not harass, threaten, or otherwise abuse witnesses. I believe the system works when a good, ethical prosecutor, along with a good, ethical defense attorney, present arguments to a fair and impartial jury in front of a fair judge. You, Nancy, seem to think the system would work much better if a prosecutor was permitted to walk into a courtroom, tell the judge what happened, and have the defendant sentenced to the maximum sentence.

Most good prosecutors appreciate a good defense attorney, so that they do not have to deal with the defendant returning on appeal to argue ineffective assistance of counsel.

I am passionate about what I do. I exist because of the United States Constitution, and am proud to walk into an American courtroom each day and defend the principles this country stands for and lives by.

I am not just "doing my job," as you say Nancy, I am doing the job that the American People and Constitution demand.


Thanks for the inspiration to keep digging, Mr. Rabbit.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 05:21 PM
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32. You're welcome
Glad to be of service.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:26 AM
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12. She does both every night on her show:
1. SHE decides that everyone is guilty until proven innocent;

2. Every second that I watch her show is torture.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:28 AM
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14. Same here, torture, big time.
But it is interesting to study her poopaganda. It is fascinating to see how see manipulates so many into thinking the Bill of Rights are just a "god damn piece of paper."
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:48 AM
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17. not torture
just straight to the gool old fashioned dixieland lynching
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:29 AM
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19. Nancy Grace? LOL. Bring on Torquemada
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 07:30 AM by depakid
That woman may well have been dibarred had she practiced on the West Coast.

The fact that she's allowed on the air is yet another of the 999 reasons why media re-regulation should be at the top of any reasonable person's agenda.

She's to law what John Stossel is to journalism.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:34 AM
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20. No.
I don't think you are being sexist, but it is apparent that you do not know much about Nancy. She's a solid democrat. Her stance on violent crime clearly indicates that she is more concerned about victims' rights than the rights of the accused. But she has a history of standing up for people who she believes are wrongly accused/convicted, even when it's unpopular. A good example of this is when she has spoken out about the conviction of Mike Tyson on rape charges a decade ago. While she doesn't like Tyson, she recognized that his trial was absolutely flawed, and that his conviction was based on his image, not the facts.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:24 PM
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22. Oh come on
The woman's been castigated by several courts for prosecutorial misconduct- including hiding exculpatory evidence. This has been a pattern in her practice.

Given that she worked in Georgia, one can only guess at how many innocent people she's put in prison based on her vendetta.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:41 PM
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25. What is she saying here?
PIXLEY: Well, Larry, Charles brought it up. I quite honestly have been a been a little tired of hearing that race isn't going to play a factor in this trial. We've heard it from the media repeatedly now when we talk about Eagle County. The fact of the matter when is Kobe Bryant steps into that courtroom, he's not going to be wearing his basketball uniform, he's not going to be flanked by 6'6" athletes. He's going to be standing next to his female attorney, she stands fully a foot shorter than him and he's going to be compared consciously or subconsciously to his white accuser who's also much smaller.

So you take his physical stature coupled with his race, and the fact of the matter is, it's very likely to scare the all-while jury that he will get in Eagle County. And he's going to have to be extremely well-mannered and really handle himself well to overcome that handicap.

I've just been very surprised to hear across the board that no one thinks race is going to be a factor.

GRACE: You didn't hear from it me, Chris Pixley. I have never said that.

PIXLEY: And I didn't accuse you of it.

GRACE: You said across the board, and I consider myself to be part of the board.

KING: Nancy, do you think it is a factor?

GRACE; Yes, anybody that says race is not a factor in any trial in this country is fooling themselves or they're unfamiliar with the system. You have to, you must, get a jury that is reflective of the community, and a jury that will benefit your client, be the victim or the defendant. However, I still say even with race as a factor, Larry, the great equalizer is the money. The money that Kobe Bryant has. That's the great equalizer.

KING: You agree with that, Charles?

BARKLEY: Yes, I totally agree with that. Obviously, Chris is 100 percent right, and Nancy, race is huge. Probably the most unfortunate thing in this country. It's unfortunate that -- that's the thing about me, about that poll, that we haven't heard a stitch of evidence, and 70 percent of black folks think he's innocent, but 70 percent of white folks think he's guilty.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/21/lkl.00.html


Haven't found a Tyson transcript but ran into this. She is saying, if you read between the lines, that as a prosecutor representing her client (the victim) she uses race to benefit her client. So rather than hunt down a transcript of hers on Tyson, I'll argue this: even Hitler was probably just and showed mercy on occasion.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:44 PM
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26. She would use her flaring nostrils of death to beat the truth out of ...
any suspected enemy combatant.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:49 PM
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34. Killer Sentenced To Interview With Nancy Grace
JACKSON, Mich. (CAP) - Family and friends of Ian Shawns sat in silence as Judge Darryl Mazur read the 22-year-old's sentence for killing a gas station attendant in June of 2004. No jail term, no probation, just an interview with CNN's Nancy Grace. The courtroom erupted.

"Oh, my Ian! My baby!" cried mother Edith Shawns as family members tried to console her after the sentence was read. "He needs direction, not death!"

The sentence came as a shock to everyone, including the prosecution, who had asked for Shawns to be sent to prison for 20 years. Many following the highly publicized case expressed concern that Mazur's decision was politically motivated in a state that does not support capital punishment.

more: http://www.crystalair.com/content.php?id=60200609013
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:51 PM
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35. she has issues and needs help... like Bush
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