One thing ya gotta admit about ol' Gen'ral Custer...

He never cut an' run.

Edit...Smart feller

He even went AWOL one time!

when you're SURROUNDED!

pale face.

Didn't he cut his long hair short for battle because the Indians considered his scalp a trophy?

politicians.

George of England had it back in the late 1700s too.

Custer was absent that day when they taught that lesson at the Point about the American way of war.


"You will do well to try to innoculate the Indians by means of Blankets, as well to try every other method that can serve to extirpate this inexorable race . . . "

General Cluster ... This is Sitting Bull ...

Sitting Bull ... This is General Cluster ...

Sit, you call it in air ....

Heads .... Heads it is ....

So what's it going to be, Sit?

Well General Cluster, you and your men all go down to the bottom of the valley and wait, while me and all the Indians in the world ride right down on you ....

A classic bit by Bill from 1963 ...

I knew a guy who had a lot of them memorized. I didn't know that about you.

we picked up a copy of "You are a Very Funny Fellow, Right" and a few other early recordings just a couple of years ago. It, along with a number of Monty Python, Mel Brooks, Eddie Izzard, George Carlin and Billy Connelly DVD's, was part of our evil plan to make sure our kids had a good cultural grounding before they ventured out into the unfriendly world of insiped pop culture.

a pretty good film, IMHO

He did'nt give a shit for anyone but himself. An officers first obligation is to their troops.

Sand Creek...

Genocide on the Great Plains
by James Horsley

Introduction

On the morning of November 28, 1864, troops commanded by Colonel John M. Chivington attacked a band of Plains Indians of the Cheyenne tribe under Chief Black Kettle while the Indian village was camped on Sand Creek in Colorado Territory. The camp was just outside a reservation established in 1861 by the treaty of Fort Wise. Two months earlier on September 28, 1864, Black Kettle and White Antelope had met with Colorado Governor John Evans and Colonel Chivington at Camp Weld near Denver to discuss peace. While no formal peace arrangement had been made, the Indians had turned in their arms at Fort Lyon, camping along Sand Creek.

When Black Kettle saw the soldiers charging his camp that morning, he raised an American flag plus a white flag in front of his tent to demonstrate his peaceful intent. The United States flag had been given to the Cheyenne by the government during treaty negotiations. White Antelope yelled in English, "Stop! Stop!" then, seeing that they did not stop their charge, stood with his arms folded as the troops galloped toward him, refusing to fight.

The soldiers killed about 150 Indian men, women and children, including White Antelope. It had been an orgy of killing. Many of the victims had been physically mutilated by the soldiers. According to Congressional testimony, White Antelope's scrotum had been cut off, later to be used as a tobacco pouch. Soldiers had cut out the vaginal area from slain Indian women. Clusters of women had been shot trying to surrender. Children had been shot and clubbed to death. Their village was burned and several hundred horses captured. (Hoig, 1981, p. 66) (United States Congress, 1865, p. 96)

On January 10, 1865, the House of Representatives directed the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War to investigate the attack, generating a report that charged Chivington of deliberately planning and executing "a foul and dastardly massacre." (Prucha, 1976, p. 12) The attack on Black Kettle's band was officially recognized by the United States government as "gross and wanton outrages" against the Indians. In the treaty with the Cheyenne and Arapaho of 1865 a number of chiefs, including Black Kettle, were individually granted parcels of land in an attempt to repudiate Chivington's actions. Article VI of the treaty read:

http://www.dickshovel.com/was.html

http://www.dickshovel.com/genosite.html

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General Custer in Virginia

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Confiscate their stocks and farms, Do it with a vigor,

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General James Wilson, Commander of the Third Division of Cavalry had received orders to take command of the Cavalry Corps in the western theater of the war. Brig. General George Armstrong Custer was ordered to take command of the Third Division composed of two brigades of which the Twenty-Second New York was in the Second Brigade. Gen. Custer took command at Mt. Crawford and started his division on its return trip to Winchester the 5th of October. The cavalry burned all the hay, grain, barns and mills that could be found on their line of march back to Winchester and prior to leaving Mt. Crawford. Houses often caught fire from sparks but in most cases were not deliberately set. Nobody's grain or property were safe unless you were a proven Union man. Even the property of Mennonites and Dunkards were set ablaze and these families supplied no fighting soldiers to the South's cause. All grain in the fields were trampled into the ground by whole regiments. Orders were given to destroy the crops in the fields and the seeds for next Spring's planting as well. Seeds pounded into the ground by horse hooves protected them from burning, which sprouted in the Spring of 1865, after the war was over, resulting in a yield of crops for that Fall's harvest. To this day, the Old Order of Mennonites each August hold a special service to commemorate the event (2). The remnants of Early's army watched helplessly from the mountain ridges, one Georgian soldier writing: "We could see Yankees driving off horses, cattle, sheep and killing hogs. They burned barns, shocks of wheat, corn in the fields and destroyed everything that could shelter man or beast - soon the valley was black with smoke." Estimated losses in Rockingham County alone amounted to $25,000,000.00 in Confederate currency.

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By the 8th of October, the destruction was complete from below Harrisonburg down the valley to Winchester. Corp. Dewitt Crumb of the "Two-Twos" reported "the smoke was so thick it stifled their breath and blinded their eyes." When Yankee troopers were asked why they were burning the barns and destroying crops, the cavalrymen replied "This is for burning Chambersburg!" Chambersburg, Pa. had been burned earlier that summer when the citizens couldn't come up with the money to save their town. When the burning of the valley was completed, General Sheridan reported to Grant; "A crow would need to carry its ration when it flew over the Valley of Virginia."More...

http://www.nelson.talkingrelics.com/about4.html


The Burning

http://www.angelfire.com/wv/wasec9/burning/burning.html

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“Burnt District”

Gen. Philip Sheridan's campaign in the fall of 1864 was just the latest act in a Valley traversed by armies since the beginning of the war.

But Sheridan's destruction of the region's economic base found its way on to Rockingham County maps. The “Burnt District” is the area between the Rawley Springs Pike and Bridgewater and then from Mole Hill to the Valley Pike.

“Everybody knew somebody who had been hit hard by “The Burning,” Heatwole said. “It was not a raid. It was a really well-planned campaign within a campaign,” he said.

Sheridan, following Union commanding Gen. Ulysses Grant's directive, ordered barns full of harvest burned unless widows owned them. Soldiers also torched mills and killed or drove off livestock in the region from northern Augusta County north to Strasburg and on both sides of Massanutten Mountain. More...

http://www.dnronline.com/civilwar/part-2/arc-closer.htm

:kick: are you still alive thread, or did Hubert kill you? :kick:

BTW I know a little bit about that history too.

BTW: Ever read this book?





Here's a write up. Been out a while so you'll be able to get it dirt cheap.

http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/skimin.html

I'll put it on my list of things to look for.

Jack Crabb: General, you go down there.
General Custer: You're advising me to go into the Coulee?
Jack Crabb: Yes sir.
General Custer: There are no Indians there, I suppose.
Jack Crabb: I didn't say that. There are thousands of Indians down there. And when they get done with you, there won't be nothing left but a greasy stain. This ain't the Washite River, General, and them ain't helpless women and children waiting for you. They're Cheyenne brave, and Sioux. You go down there, General, if you've got the nerve.
General Custer: Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner. You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there!

Oh, that Mark Churms painting is odd, Custer is armed with a Webley RIC that was manufactured after his death. :shrug:

thought Damn. That looks like a Webley. Then I got absorbed into other details of the painting.

I used to be a little bit of a gun nut, and once owned a .455 Webley with a parrot-beak grip kinda reminiscent of a Colt Lightning. (The Webley was a double-action too.)

That is NOT a Model 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Carbine. Detail and historical accuracy is not a strong suite of the artist.

Stickler for detail, I am. Just call me Debbie Downer. ;)

armed. Could have been Spencers or Civil War-era muzzle-loaders for all I knew. I think in those days Cav units were armed pretty hit-or-miss. I vaguely recall the Wagon Box Fight as the first in which a Cav unit used repeating rifles (Spencers iirc) in combat against Indians. That was about 1867, again iirc.

In 1873, the U.S. Army had selected a single loading rifle to become the standard issue weapon for its troops even though repeating rifles were already becoming popular throughout the country.

Ironically, the enemy used Winchester repeating rifles that day, and The very next year (1877), Congress ordered the Army to get with the times and pick a repeating rifle for the troops to carry.

Th-wock....ooo, thems injuns out there.

Wonder what the Indian word for friend is. Eh, oh yeah, kemo sabi that's it. Hey out there, kemo sabi ....tthh-wock. Nope, that ain't it :rofl:

I don' wanna go...

If you ever ever ever get the chance to get Bowman's 45 of Hey Mr. DJ, the uncensored version, pay whatever you have to to hear it.

You will literally roll on the floor laughing. He's calling to ask why Ralph Emery hasn't played his record on his radio program after he sent him 500 copies. And Ralph just keeps hanging up. I had tears in my eyes.