Is Karl Rove Planning to Steal Election 2006

Karl Rove continues to insist that, despite every poll and prestigious election analysts like Charlie Cook and Stuart Rothenberg predicting otherwise, Republicans will retain control of both the House and Senate. Pundits claim his optimism is understandable. After all, they insist, what is Rove supposed to say, "We are going to lose and lose badly"? An honest admission, the theory goes, would keep Republicans from voting and result in the GOP's losses being all the worse. Certainly nobody expects Rove to concede defeat and people are right to assume that line of reasoning, in part, motivates his ridiculous claims. There is, however, a second group of people that view Rove's optimism from a more realistic perspective. For them, Rove's confidence is linked to the very real possibility that he and the Republicans are planning to ''steal'' or undermine the elections.

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For those who've learned not to trust the likes of Rove, Bush, and Cheney -- the Iraq War serves as Exhibit A -- it isn't their delusional optimism regarding the elections that causes such great concern, but rather it is Rove's certainty of victory.

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For those distrusting and skeptical of Rove's methods and motives, his blatant lie that only he has seen polls for individual races and that only he is the keeper of the 'math' is cause for great concern. Rove is blatantly attempting to undermine the peoples' faith in known polling data and, too, the conclusion of every respected analyst. The question then becomes, why is it so important to Rove that he discredit -- based on falsehoods and misrepresentations -- all the known public polling information? The answer is obvious: Rove is trying to head off the media frenzy and skepticism that is surely to follow any election outcome that doesn't fit the preponderance of the current polling data.

Rove is attempting to spin the media now. That way, when so many Republicans that shouldn't win, do - he can say, "Told you so!" The media, of course, as they did following Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, will say, "Gosh! Guess that Karl Rove was again, too smart for us. That's why he is a 'genius' and we're just journalists." And once more, Rove hopes, nobody in the media will make a serious effort to investigate the election fraud in 2006.

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Which is what his team actually does................

wink wink, however I reserve all judgement from the "fix is in" hysteria to the WE WILL WIN overconfidence at a time in the history of this country when it's too serious to even say such a thing.

My question is, what are we going to do if we lose and it appears that we didn't really lose as in 2004? What are we going to do afterwards? That's what I want to know. Surely, we can come up with something better than throwing Gay rights and the right to choose under the bus. Hell, we already have pro-torture Dems. I don't know how much farther to the right we can go. I just am dreading the whole scene, even though I think we will barely win the House, but not the Senate and not one damn thing will change because- it can't. We've already ceded our powers to the unitary executive. What's that about martial law and signing statements, and ignoring the constitution? How is a small plurality of Dems-and many of them barely on our side at that going to stand up to the Dictator in chief? Have you seen any evidence that they would dare to challenge Bush? ANY?

Frankly, I think DU is fantasyville these days. But I enjoy it. It's sure easier to BELIEVE that to see what's actually happening.

Calling DU a fantasyville is despicable. We have the goods on the whole damn buch of crooks and in our effort to find a way to throw the book at 'em you label us as being in fatasyville? Rubbish!!

Your defeatist attitude should be banned from these boards. It is of no help whatsoever.

What next? The thought police? Maybe we could develop a narrow litmus test as to who will be allowed to call themselves a Democrat and if they deviate from the rigid, straight and narrow road they're out, banned. No soup for them! Everybody must think the same way and agree exactly about the issues. Then we go along the path towards the dark side and become like those we profess to detest. Then, at that point, as Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

Maybe you haven't been around long enough to truly understand?

I suggest you buckle up and hang on, the next two weeks are gonna be one hell of a ride.

I didn't mean my reply as a slam on you personally, but in my time here at DU I have seem many posts that are intolerant of the viewpoints and ideals of others. Much of this does not encompass what I have thought of being the ideals of what is a Democrat. It disappoints me that there is so much hate and vitriol. What I read over and over is that because the Republicans have done bad things to Democrats, then it is only right that more and worse should be done to them. This might be a plan if you are in power forever, but when the other side regains control, then payback is a bitch. Over and over and over again. It's not surprising that a good segment of American voters get sick of both major parties behaving like a couple of kids. Democrats can have it in their power to change that if we can overcome the blood lust for revenge and making the Republicans pay. The irony is that by doing that it will give the Democrats the power to stay in power for a long time. That being said, I am not hopeful because revenge and payback are very primitive and powerful human emotions.

Some things are like wildfires and can either be dealt with or allowed to burn out on their own. This is a time for things to be dealt with before they get out of control.

The scenario you present, the one of retribution and revenge, is one grown from seeds of frustration. Its too bad that its fruit can't yet be tasted, but believe me, most of DU would quickly tire of it were we ever to be able to feast upon it.

There's work to be done - the harvest has time is at hand. No use looking back at what we should have done, it is time to reap. Gather round and be of good cheer. The house we must win. All efforts must, at this time, be directed to that sole accomplishment.

I do have the desire for revenge in me because it is a primal and primitive emotion, but I try and suppress it because it is not useful and is counterproductive. It makes for great books and movies because who doesn't like to see the bad guys get theirs. Unfortunately little in the world is absolutely black and white and as Ghandi said, an eye for an eye only results in the whole world being blind. Just as in the Hatfields/McCoy feud, it won't end until one side says "stop, I will no longer retaliate and escalate the problem".

Regarding our present political situation we should be as Jesus talked about in Matthew 10:16: "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (I am no longer a Christian, and at best a deist, but there is a lot of wisdom in the words of Jesus and even those of other religions recognize it). As Democrats we can at least include Republicans in the process and listen to them no matter how much we disagree. That does not mean we should be stupid or naive, but it's time to stop looking for every opportunity for a Republican smack down and vilification. I think that most Americans do not have a problem with Democrats exercising reasonable oversight and accountability and even prosecution, but they don't want to see the next 2 years spent on a political vendetta to exact revenge on each and every Republican sin. Perfect and complete justice is a job for God who apparently is not interested. The ultimate proof that like is unfair.

In the end I do not view all Republicans as the epitome of evil. It is too easy to brand them that way and thus water down the true and honest meaning of the word. I believe that as bad as Bush is (and he and his policies are bad), to compare him with Hitler lowers the bar for Hitler. He may have hitleresque ideas and delusions of grandeur and cannot admit when he has made a mistake, but he is an amateur in comparison to Hitler and at best is a closet wannabe. No, your average Republican is an everyday person. Republicans are our mothers and fathers, our brothers and sisters, our children, and there are millions and millions of them. So unless we believe that the best way to bring the sheep back into the fold is to beat them down, ridicule and humiliate them, then it might be time to try a new tact since the old ones do not seem to work so well. Therein may be the path to keeping the Democrats in control unless we become to smug in our power.

the comparison is valid when you look at hitler in the 30s. And yes republicans may be our fathers sisters and brothers but they most certainly are our weak, cowardly and dim relations.

When the Bush/Hitler comparison is made most people think of Hitler as he ended up being, not what he was in the 1930s. To them the comparison is so over the top that they discount everything else you say. It plays well when singing to the choir, but then that choir is going to vote Democratic anyways. If the goal is to polarize and piss off everybody who does not agree with the Democratic line, then don't be surprised when many swing voters in the middle who will vote Democratic under the right circumstances swing back the other way. Won't that be sweet? Of course, when the Democrats take more total control in a couple of years, what will many people here have to vent about?

None of my family or friends who happen to be Republicans are neither weak, cowardly, or dim. I could trust them with my life and I know they would do anything for me. I am sorry that yours are so pathetic, but people here do tend to paint with a broad brush using the colors of hyperbole, venom, and vitriol. Of course that it easy to do when you are convinced that you are 100% correct all of the time and there is no chance that you might be mistaken on anything. There are times when the sanctimonious smugness here at DU gets hard to stomach. God would be hard pressed to be as all knowing and as morally pure as some here think they are.

They are all that has got me through the last few years. Their intent is pure. Those they are resting their faith upon I think is a fantasy. The Dems we have are not going to save America. It will be up to the people. It's funny that you mention we have the goods-clearly we have mountains of goods!-Conyers has written a book on election crimes, and constitution crimes and still those that represent us go along with the charade. I would love to believe that the Dems we have will save America with a majority-but I think that is a fantasy based on what they have shown me in the last four years. So, one man's fantasy is another's dream, but to me it's really a bucket of denial. Though I'd like to share it, in my heart, I think it's already way too late. I hope I'm WRONG.

The times for those kind of feelings have passed. Its time to pull together as a team. We hang together or we hang separately, eh?

Some folks sensibilities can be hurt by attitudes such as your's, especially at times like these. You don't want to hurt anybody, do you? I didn't think so.

Dems will win in a landlside of historic proportions and if we don't, then yeah, it may be too late. But it ain't too late right now.

One final note: Ghandi said: Be the change you want to see.

Who the hell am I to argue with wisdom like that? How 'bout you?

We are going to get mad, very, very mad. We will call them thieves, filthy little thieves, and we hates them. How dare they rob us again when they robbed us before, and the time before that. We will be mad and indignant and when it happens again we will be mad again and call them names and jump up and down. There will be threats of investigations and countless examples of proof and lawyers doing lawyer things, but in the mind the term that comes to mind is "feckless".

However, if the Democrats do retake at least one house of Congress, this is one issue that needs to be immediately and effectively addressed. I would put this above impeachment because impeachment will become all consuming. If election fraud in all of its forms is not solved, ultimately the Democratic reign will be a short one.

It's his execution that sucks.

BWAHAHAHA

and so he uses it, but it won't work.

They can't steal that many races; it would be far too obvious. Smearing is not working this time. Plus the overwhelming fact that Bush has lost his base is something that nothing can overcome.

When the water is sufficiently polluted, life ceases. The GOP is dead in the water!

all the repub scandals captured
America's attention and poor KKKarl
got left holding his willy.

Neutralized.

With the help of co-conspirators of course. But that's more reason to vote. Make it fool-proof.

n/t

Duh.

It is not who votes. It is who counts the vote.

The true question is, "Does it matter?"

Theft of the election has always been a possibilty. The people must recognize it can happen in USA.

His days revolve around propping up *'s presidency and using that power to maintain single-party rule. They're there to steal lives, wealth and votes.