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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:43 AM
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Those who suggest we divide Iraq are living in a fantasy world.
It would make the current Civil war look like a day in the park.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:05 AM
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1. "We"?
Iraq will divide itself, doesn't need our help.
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:12 AM
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2. What Alternatives do You Suggest?
Withdrawal with out division will result in divide and conquer by the Shia. The Sunni are in many areas mixed in with them and have already been slaughtered by death squads called in by their neighbors. What about the Kurds in the north? They live in what has been the most peaceful areas of Iraq since the invasion. It is my impression that the Kurds have been the most co-operative with the coalition forces. By saying this I'm not trying to diminish the death squad activities of the Sunnies. They are just as bad.

Without division we would make it easier for the Shia's, both in Iraq and Iran to win the the entire country and make a blood bath out of the minorities.

It amazes me how Islam can be so fractured that it feeds on killing each other. A comparison could be made between them and the Protestant/Catholic wars of the middle or dark ages.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:27 AM
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4. "Divide and rule". Yes, it worked so well during the UK's first invasion.
and occupation attempt of Iraq.

:sarcasm:

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:32 AM
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6. Leave now...that's what I suggest....
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 09:32 AM by trumad
The Shia's are going to take the whole damn pie anyway...

What, you thing that Turkey's going to let the Kurds have their own little country next door? Yeah right, they'll attack immediately.

So are you one of those who suggest we stay until we get it right?
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:50 AM
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9. What?
Where in my reply did you see me suggesting that we stay until we get it right? Don't put words in my mouth.

My suggestion is to divide. We will have then tried to do something. If it goes to hell in a hand basket, we can think we tried to do the right thing. The alternative is to walk away and wash our hands of the whole thing. In any event, the whole ME is liable to go up in flames. Your right about Turkey but we may be able to pressure them to accept the status quo.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:52 AM
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10. You should read up on Iraq's history. Especially the part where the UK
invaded & occupied Iraq.

Total chaos.

Finally the UK decided to "divide and rule".

That didn't work out so good.

Learn history.

Or be doomed to repeat it.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:55 AM
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12. But you're saying stay until we divide...right.
I'm saying get the fuck out now. If you really thing we can pressure the Turks into not messing with the Kurds...then you really don't know the history between the these two. One little incident and the Turks will invade the North border.

AND do you really think the Shias will want to share oil revenue with the Kurds and the Sunnis? LOL

Face it...we created a country that will eventually be run by the Shia know matter what we do.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:26 AM
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3. ARROGANT fantsasy world
Very arrogant.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:30 AM
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5. Or, we could let the Iraqis decide the fate of their country.
Without our "help" which has produced 655,000 dead Iraqis and a civil war.

Who are we to decide what's best for the Iraqis?
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:35 AM
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7. Iraq is an artificially constructed country
we wouldn't be dividing it as much as we would be restoring it.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:53 AM
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11. "we" "we "we"
Bloody arrogant.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:04 AM
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8. If you mean literally "we divide Iraq" I agree.
That would be none of our business. We should just get out.

That said, Iraq is a fiction cobbled together by the Brits whilst carving up the remains of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. The British colonial strategy was to create administrative regions that chopped ethnic groups up, as they did in Iraq, and to promote a complaint minority ethnic group into leadership roles within their colonial government, as they did with the Sunnis in Iraq. The result is a non-viable state perpetually destabilized by the irresolvable ethnic tensions.

Iraq will deconstruct itself and will sort itself out in a bloody end to its sorry history. That end may very well include a broader regional war involving all of the minor powers neighboring what used to known as Iraq.

Our role should be to pay compensation to all the victims of our criminal folly.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:56 AM
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13. What 'dis we, white man?
As if we have much if any say in what happens there any more!
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