After next Tuesday, Bush will become just a useful idiot.

He and his administration are so mired in scandals - and so many of his administration are so soiled and corrupt that a 2 year bath couldn't cut through the filth - that his only useful purpose will be to become the anchor that drags him and his neocon party down to the depths of the Sea of the Politically Irrelevant.

Impeaching him and removing him from office? IMHO, I don't think that would be in the best interest of the people or the Democratic Party. Although it would be justifiable and could be done with relative ease, it would appear to many people to simply be a payback for 1998 (Year of the Blue Dress). And would be spun in the MSM as petty and vindictive.

I do believe that with a Democratically controlled House and Senate, and an emporer with no clothes, he could serve out his last two years being an asset to OUR party, and help us solidify control of both houses of Congress and gain residence in the White House in '08.

Agree? Disagree?

Discuss.

...there is NOTHING useful about Bush.

And they can limit his unitary executive crap with appropriate oversight and laws, etc.

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...to restore at least part of the rest of the planet's confidence in our nation's sanity and ethics. It would also serve as a warning to all those in the future who would seek to loot our treasury under the cover of the flag.

There is much more to the issue of impeachment than mere political calculus -- there's that whole truth, justice and the American way thing at stake, too.

... and even deserved.

My point is - it would not be perceived by the MSM and by many uninformed and less idealistic people in that fashion. Thus - in 2008, would I want to re-elect a petty House and vindictive Senate, or do I get rid of these immature kids as well? Our the ground gained from our idealistic (although justified and constitutionally supported) impeachment would be lost in two years. We would be once again looking at the world pass us by, with a minority in the Senate and not have control of the White House.

Just advocating a 'give 'em enough rope, and they'll hang themselves' strategy.

we give he and his their day in court. The road to repairing all the damage starts with holding he and his henchmen accountable. they won't do it themselves but we damn sure can and must. imo

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I don't want the U.S. to degenerate (any further) into impeachments every 6 years (becasue you KNOW the GOP would impeach the next Dem President no matter what.

The GOP shamelessly lowered the impeachment bar, but that doesn't mean we have to limbo under it. There are other avenues to justice for the Administration that do not involve extraordinary Constitutional measures.

If both houses of Congress are Democrat-controlled, any progressive legislation they pass will almost certainly be vetoed by B*sh.

This will be very helpful in getting a Democrat elected president in 2008, because the Democratic-controlled House and Senate can blame B*sh for obstructionism and lack of concern about America's middle class, working class and poor.

I've learned not to count my chickens before they hatch.

Patience is a virtue.

Don't underestimate that one bit.

and that provides Democrats with campaign fodder for 2008.

So you're right. :thumbsup:

In other words, Democrats accusing Bush and Republicans of obstructing OUR agenda.

And in this case, it'll work a lot more because I would think they'd know the President actually does have the power to obstruct laws, whereas we never have.

That would be good then. :dunce:

Or will they spend the interval passing horrific legislation we will spend the next two years trying to undo?

It'll mostly be to try to get the spending bills done. If Dems take both chambers, it's possible they'll stall them until next year, however.

Great for fundraisers, but it seems like few elected officials in the GOP wants to be seen with him anymore.

George W. Bush as a comma in the Dick Cheney presidency.

What I think is going to happen is nothing less than a full-blown constitutional crisis.

Without a compliant Congress, Bush will be flexing his new "Unitary Executive" muscle and unilaterally either taking unauthorized actions or ignoring Congress's laws. And ditto for the judicial branch.

However, he still has a compliant media (too bad they can't be voted out), so he'll do his damnedest to paint Congress as "obstructionist", "soft on terra", yadda, yadda, yadda...

I believe you're about to live in some "interesting times".