Impeachment would not be about getting even, it would be about justice.

This is the only thing that disappoints me now. Of all the presidents in America's history, this man is deserving of impeachment and trial as a traitor to the nation and destroyer of the Constitution.

Holding tyrants accountable for the destruction they wreck on our
constitution and the fabric of our society is the right thing to do.
Letting him get off with his dictatorial reign unchallenged says
that we do not willing to exercise our responsibility to demand
presidents uphold their oath to the constitution.

I don't think there will be any peace between the parties until
we come to an understanding that we are and will be a nation of
laws, a nation that still exists under the original Constitution
and anyone who violates our historical responsibility to protect it
will be held accountable and punished.

On Immigration, Corporate and Personal Tax Collection, Employment, Border Security etc. etc. I refuse to believe this line:


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and will be a nation of laws, a nation that still exists under the original Constitution
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I know this is off topic, but we are a nation of selectively enforcing laws based on who is in power, and that quite frankly stinks. Bush is now counting on the Dem controlled Congress for "Immigration Reform" which means opening the borders to a flood of cheap labor for he and his rich buddies.

I sure hope somebody stands up to him. Otherwise, our standard of living is going to continue to spiral. I am as progressive as most here on DU, but twe haven't even attempted to uphold any laws in this country over the past 20 years (see the last amnesty).

What a crock of crap.

Getting even is just a nice bonus.

. . .To me, the "getting even" part comes with prosecution.

The power to impeach is the weapon we gave Congress to defend/rescue the Constitution (it's a power they must have to fulfill their oath when the attack on our Constitution comes from within the executive or the judicial branch).

After Bush and Cheney are "disarmed" (take away their power to harm by removing them from power) our legal system and the international court take over to prosecute and punish the criminal acts they engaged in as they gathered ever more Unconstitutional power and wielded to commit war crimes, line the pockets of our cronies. . .(the list goes on and on).

This is why it is so critical that we Wake Up our so-called "leaders" to reality: they have all they need RIGHT NOW to impeach and remove. No investigation required. Every time they invoke Bush as unitary authoritarian executive they confess to subverting the Constitution.

Related reply:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2637023&mesg_id=2638679

The votes to convict aren't there, and given the media's RW bias, any attempt to impeach will be spun very negatively. It'd be better to monkeywrench Bush's administration by investigating and prosecuting his cabinet, who are really the ones pulling the strings. I'd like to see him leave his office in disgrace more than anyone, but it's just not a prudent thing to try. Step back and think how average Americans would see an impeachment attempt.

Every Congressperson is sworn to uphold our constitution- they either Impeach or go on the list of collaborators...

nt

Bush has two years left in office in any case. There aren't enough votes in the Senate to convict him if he's successfully impeached by the House. (Conviction by the Senate in impeachment cases requires a two-thirds majority. It's not there.) And impeachment would also be a rather maladroit way to play the game; it's not worth risking victory in the 2008 presidential elections over (and there WOULD be endless cries of "Partisanship!" and "Petty revenge!" and so on from the Republicans). As it stands, Bush is relatively marginalised now, with a Democratic Congress, severely eroded public support and a fragmented and defecting Republican base; the best strategy for the Dems in Washington now is to leave him there for the remainder of hist term, and hamstring him at every turn. He's going to look bad no matter what; either weak and ineffective, or childish and petulant. Especially once the new Congress starts to move forward and offer solutions that work better than "stay the course" and "Rummy's doing a heck of a job", and he tries to veto them or act independently by executive fiat.

The lower side of me supports Impeachment just on the moral high ground that it would be so much FUN!




(I apologize for this lower side - this man has MIHOPPED OR LIHOPPED 9/11, Allowed nearly 3,000 of our service men and women to die in Iraq while countless others will be emotionally or physically destroyed, destabilized two nations and in Iraq allowed for the instability that has cost 630,000 lives I really should notbe thinking about FUN!)

. . .Accusing them (and thus breaking the bonds of complicity with their crimes) is a "waste of time"?

For your Consideration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2595234&mesg_id=2595474

Especially when there are so many other pressing priorities that will be facing the new Congress and two short years to do them in till the next election.

Bush is now as good as irrelevant, and the judgement of history will be far harsher on him than any a court could pass.

how about on the 10% of US children without healthcare right now?
for many who voted yesterday, that is a matter of life and death.

The most urgent requirement is ALWAYS to "disarm" (e.g., pull over a drunk driver and take the keys to keep them from harming others; getting the gun away from a shooter (or "removing" the shooter); defusing a bomb)

Impeachment is about stopping the destruction of our Constitution by take the power to destroy out of the hands of the destroyers.

Just as members of a police force are sworn to protect the public, members of Congress are sworn to protect ("support and defend") the Constitution.

Once the Constitution is safe from harm, then you can conduct a thorough investigation and prosecute (i.e., "bring to justice.)

I wouldn't be satisfied with impeachment at all. Too much pomp and ceremony and too many posturing Congresspeople fighting for camera-time and for the distinction of winning the Sound-bite King-of-the-Hill Award.

I want a REAL trial in a criminal court for all of PNAC.

The most urgent requirement is ALWAYS to "disarm" (e.g., pull over a drunk driver and take the keys to keep them from harming others; getting the gun away from a shooter (or "removing" the shooter); defusing a bomb). . .

Impeachment is about stopping the destruction of our Constitution by take the power to destroy out of the hands of the destroyers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2637023&mesg_id=2638679">More. . .

How does that sound?

Meg

Cheney is nearly directly connected to Plamegate, while definitely involved with the lies to start the war, and definitely the war-profiteering.
So make that President Pelosi!

. . .of Bush as unitary authoritarian executive is subverting the Constitution.

Impeachment of Bush must, of necessity, include Cheney.

The following post addresses many of the other rationalizations that are so often invoked for inaction -- and complicity:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2595234&mesg_id=2595474

I have been looking for the best way to say exactly what you just said - thanks!


"Impeachment is not about getting even, it is about justice"

He should be COMMITTED!

We don't need to do impeachment because we still need to keep our eyes on getting our soldiers home. Bush is in check right now and we need to get his other pieces off the board.

If I were a Republican, I'd feel EXACTLY the same way.

We're NOT talking about a fishing inquisition wallowing in implacable partisan hostility - and coming up with a blow job after spending $100 million!

We're talking about war crmes and crimes against the Constitution! Murder! Torture! Depriving people of habeas corpus protections! Deliberate falsification of a causus belli! Eavesdropping! Invasions of personal privacy without due process!

THOSE AREN'T BLOW JOBS!

Nice point! Thank you for phrasing it so succinctly!

They will be lucky to make it to South American hideaways.

It would be easier to make *'s life so miserable that he resigns

And said so here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2943895

did'nt bush protect himself as a war criminal with his military torture signing statement ?

If we had time since there are so many isues that need to be turned around right NOW , if we had time bush and all his criminal friends should be sent to prison for life to set an example to any future criminal thought's that may enter the minds of facist freaks .

It's not just ONE MAN who is deserving of impeachment and trial as a traitor.

It's MANY THUGS -- all members of the CORRUPT BUSH/CHENEY CABAL REGIME OR THUGS AND TRAITORS!!

IMPEACH and TRY every goddam one of them!!

My suggestion is to have a sort of "Neurenburg"-style trials for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, and put Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Frist, Hastert, and many other ass-kissers of Bush on trial -- after they are kicked out of office through impeachment!!!

officials, the rule of law, and the protection and defense of the constitution and our freedom. Nothing less. To not fulfill the requirements of the oath of office puts us in peril as we currently are in a constitutional crisis whereby the executive branch is operating under an unconstitutional law and power not granted it by the constitution. We're currently not free until this is addressed.

notice that the Constitution works and WILL BE preserved. We let the Bush Family off repeatedly since the 1930s, and look where it's gotten us. HERE.

Plus there's a lot to be said for removing the evildoers so they can't continue the harm -- people who do so much dirty work via Executive Orders, rules and regulations in various agencies, Executive Orders and such.

I'm also deeply concerned that he has made himself in fact a dictator, with martial law a real and viable option, esp. now that he's put all those 50 small armies at his disposal.

Here's an article someone posted elsewhere, which I consider a must read. It goes to great lengths to point out that the coming economic bust (the one that we're pretty much all expecting) is NOT accidental:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15545.htm

Did anyone else wonder at the fact that Bush didn't seem ALL that upset after losing so much in the elections? I may sound like a REAL tinfoil hatter, but I've thought for some time now that it's entirely possible the Bushies are trying to push the U.S. into utter chaos so they CAN declare martial law, etc. Certainly this article creates a framework where that idea isn't totally outlandish.

If there had been justice for Iran/Contra, we wouldn't be having that clown now replacing Rumsferatu!!

:nuke:

work done versus impeachment, I'd rather see healthcare, wages, other issues taken care of.