First he sold out liberals by voting for "tort reform" which helps corporations and hurts ordinary people.

Now Barack Obama is opposing a filibuster of Samuel Alito, who puts coporations above the people.

"There is an over-reliance on the part of Democrats for procedural maneuvers," he told ABC's "This Week."


http://miaculpa.blogspot.com/2006/01/iiiiiiiieeeeeeeee.html

UPDATE: People below say he will vote against cloture.

nt

This shit is so damned silly and immature.

he's just criticizing Dems for using the tactic.

What an asshole!

when he says that the Dems should have been more effective in convincing the public that Alito will change their lives for the worse. And he will vote against cloture and, unlike Biden, is not suggesting that he would do so only on the first round. Biden, on the other hand, is getting more and more despicable with every passing day -- and he is the one who apparently has an endowed chair on all Sunday morning shows

The general public has no clue. How many of us know people who are so far removed from all things political, that they believe the blurb they hear on the news or at the water cooler.

Bottomline is that Obama is correct in saying we have to be more effective in convincing the public. We have to keep getting the message out there.

Cheers!

Now Obama's an enemy too? Senator Obama is a stand up guy who consistently speaks and acts with wisdom and integrity. Not to mention he very well may support the filibuster. All these threads throwing dems under the bus at the drop of a pin and making them out to be devil incarnates are really getting tiresome.

That vote cost him a lot of credibility
but got him money from corps.

How do you like them apples? With or withour ALAR?

be happy with anyone.

Anyone with a brain knows that Democrats have been doing a lot ofthings wrong. Just add this to the list. People need to read into a little nuance. If you analyze what he said he is right.

He agrees ideologically, it is just being marketed and executed poorly. Period.

. . .he did say "There is an over-reliance on the part of Democrats for procedural maneuvers," but he is supporting the filibuster. Now maybe if we listen to what he is saying it makes sense. Its not enough for us to oppose Bush, we have to offer alternatives. If we won some damn elections there would be no Alito, we lost in 2004 and now we are forced to use procedural manuevers. We don't look like we are doing anything we just look like we are obstructionists. I agree that its what we have to do, BUT WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS FUCKING POSITION. Bash Obama if you want but he is right.

The SCOTUS put Bush in the White House in 2000.
Massive fraud put Bush in the White House in 2004.

Maybe Obama should focus on the Repub 'procedural maneuvers' that keep putting the guy who lost into the White House?

There appear to be some misleading articles circulating! Obama will vote FOR a filibuster! It appears that there are articles which have used only his comments expressing reservations, but missed the most important fact!




http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=4425639&nav=1sW7

It would be very helpful to get a DUer who say the Stephanopolis interview to clarify for us exactly what Obama said. It is troubling that there are these contradictory reports.

Anybody?

He knows its a necessary evil. But he has a major problem with using the tactic. He is doing it, he does not want to do it. I support this filibuster but its a damn shame we have to use it and I believe this is Obama's position.

since it is disinformation by this line in you script .....

"Now Barack Obama is opposing a filibuster of Samuel Alito, who puts coporations above the people."-snip-

But that's your call, just a suggestion. Peace. :)

I still think Obama

-shouldn't have been criticizing the filibuster on ABC News this morning, and

-shouldn't have voted for "tort reform" to help corporations and hurt people who were injured by corporations.

this filibuster thing is so fluid, one report to another on who's on board and who isn't? Easy mistake on your part to think Obama didn't support it, I don't think he did, or didn't say so till this morning? :shrug: Anyway keep the faith and fight on my friend. Peace. :)

nt

shut the fuck up then and quit grandstanding, ya think?

then he should STFU! If he has something to say that would enlighten the public on corrupt Republicans then he should speak up!

What he actually said:

Senator Barack Obama says he will support a filibuster to block a confirmation vote on Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito.

But the Illinois Democrat also says his party relies too heavily on procedural maneuvers like filibusters and Democrats could do a better job of persuading the American people directly.

Obama spoke this morning on A-B-C's news talk show "This Week."
http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=4425639&nav=1sW7

Saying we need to do a better job talking to the American people is not a bad thing.

DO NOT BUY THE BULLSHIT FROM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!
The corporate media is spinning this as Obama criticizing the filibuster but HE IS SUPPORTING THE FILIBUSTER.

He criticized Democrats for not doing a better job at educating the American public about why Alito is so bad and for relying on last minute tactics such as the filibuster.

He's right. The Dems did an AWFUL job in the run up to the hearings and were even worse during the hearings, allowing the White House and Republicans carte blanche.

And while I think it would have been foolish for the Democrats to start talking about filibuster in public before last week, for the life of me I can't understand why they didn't start getting their ducks in a row weeks ago in order to be ready to filibuster when the time came.

As it is, they look like they're scrambling and desperate. Thank God that Kerry and Kennedy have stepped up to the plate, but it's terribly late and this is something that the Democratic leadership should have been doing weeks ago.

Obama was absolutely right - he's clearly not happy with how his party has performed, but he's supporting the filibuster because he knows it's the only way left to try to stop this nomination.

communicate to the American people what is wrong with Alito?

Sorry, "tort reform" is a money grab through law and regulation. It allows Congress to pay off its contributors without a money trail since it's just a change in wording. So who's paying this guy's freight?

The failure to support the filibuster puts him firmly in the Evan Bayh camp. What a wimp.

He's charming and compelling as a public figure, in a theatrical sense, but he's just another get along to go along guy, for now at least. Maybe he'll change. He's awfully new to the national scene and he needs a mentor.

On edit: Missed the big enchilada ""There is an over-reliance on the part of Democrats for procedural maneuvers," he told ABC's "This Week."

Sen. Obama, or any O supporters out there, give me even a short list of Democratic "procedural maneuvers" just a short list. This is so patently untrue, it raises some huge questions. He either doesn't know what he's talking about or he does, in which case this is deliberately misleading. Who is he trying to please.

I'm happy to be wrong on this point, btw. Just show me: (a) multiple instances where our Senate folks have used Senate "procedural maneuvers" at a frequency that would imply we "rely too much" (b) some basis for comparison, e.g., Republican procedural maneuvers for this session, typical # of such maneuvers per session by both parties over the years.

From
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_01_29_atrios_archive.html#113856557303283424

I get very tired of Democrats using their very limited TV time to say things like "we need to do better" or "we need to do a better job explaining our views to the America." Just do it! Start explaining! Do better!