AmericaBlog and I agree... kinda... sorta... eh...

How bad is our memory? This is exactly like the Iraq War Resolution.

They attacked John Kerry as being a flip-flopper for voting for the Resolution. The Dem base didn't like him very much because he voted for the Resolution.

It was a disaster for the 2004 presidential election.



Would you rather have had the Dems do everything they could to stop the Iraq War Resolution or would you rather have them vote for it?


I am sorry, but this insanity in the Democratic Party needs to stop. We need to stop forgetting and learn the lessons that we should have already. The Democrats FAILED both in what is right and in elections because they FAILED to even TRY to stop the Iraq War Resolution. Learn your lessons...


Some use this argument:
"This will forever alter the way court choices are dealt with and I am not sure to the benefit of liberalism."

But the same argument was used for the IWR:
"If we ever need to go to war again, we don't want to set a precedent that congress will defy the president."

NOTE FROM JOHN: Actually, I agree with you completely. This is exactly like the Iraq war resolution. Democrats were too afraid to speak their minds and launch a REAL campaign to explain to the American public that Bush was lying to them. That's the same that's going on right now with the filibuster. You can't launch any such effort with a true campaign supporting it, a campaign to convince the American people, show the American people, that we are right. Those kind of campaigns cost millions of dollars, and they're the kind of campaigns that our well-heeled groups have been given millions of dollars to fight. And they didn't. You don't take the Republicans on on national security issue unless you have a pretty damn good reason for doing so and can enunciate that reason to the public in a convincing matter. Same goes for a filibuster. What some people are confusing is their desire to fight back with having an actual good plan to fight back. You need both.





My Response to his:
John,

Regaurding your response to me:

Good points. But I think they did use a campaign. Not the normal kind. Not the kind Republicans use with Rush and TV time.

No, they used us. John Kerry and Edward Kennedy went on to DailyKos and told us, the liberal bloggers, to help them and support a filibuster.

Is this a multi-million dollar PR campaign? No. It is a zero dollar campaign. They used the free internet to get their message out to us. We have responded better than any multi-million dollar TV ad could have possibly done.

I (and many others) have sent out personal emails to my friends and family. For example, 8 of my relatives live in Florida and I sent them email after email, updating them of the situation with Bill Nelson while giving them the information they needed to contact him. I even got an email from my mother-in-law's boyfriend who I haven't even met yet about filibustering Alito. (and she is a Republican)

No TV ad would have gotten me to do this. What got me to do this was their personal attention on the blogsphere. They validated us this week and we have validated the filibuster for them.

I don't know how it will turn out, but I am hopeful. Even if the filibuster fails, Kennedy and Kerry have shown DC that we, the liberal bloggers, are a force. A force that didn't exist in 2002 when they passed the IWR.

with, and it's wonderful Kerry and Kennedy 'get it'. :yourock:

and this was a heck of a lot more effective than most other efforts because THIS ONE COUNTS into the next three decades.

We have shown that liberal bloggers are indeed a force...win or lose we have flexed our collective muscle...

that being said, I hope the point is made by WINNING THIS FIGHT.

at what bloggers and netroots have achieved with this last minute filibuster push

Pretty soon Senators and Congressman will be fighting with one another about who gets to post on Kos and DU and who gets the most recommendations