Joe Lieberman is the greatest Senator who ever lived, and Hillary Clinton is an idiot.

Got your attention? Good. Because I want to make a point about this whole Dean/Emmanuel pissing contest.

Howard Dean or Rahm Emmanuel did not "win" this election for us. The people who won this election for us are the candidates who ran great campaigns, their staffers who kept shit together through the dark times, their volunteers on the ground, and everyone else who donated time or effort in some way to help them win. These people constitute an entirely new generation of congressmen and women, senators, staffers, grassroots organizers, precinct captains, donors, and Democrats who are going to change the face of the Democratic party in DC for the better. They do not come tainted with decades of addiction to power, preconceived notions of the right and wrong way to do things, or stale alliances that put themselves ahead of their constituentes. They are, in short, exactly the new blood the Democratic party needs in order to win not just 2008, but 2010, 2012 and beyond. These people are going to be with us for a while. Many of them will go on to assume positions of power within the party. And when that happens, it's not going to matter worth a damn whether Dean or Emmanuel was perceived as the mastermind behind the 2006 tidal wave.

I just think it's important to give credit where credit is due. My hat is off to each and every one of these people. What they, and we, have created is truly something special in American political history.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Dean/Emmanuel Lieberman/Lamont netroots/DLC flame wars.

and that's the difference. And Lieberman certainly is the best Senator the GOP has fielded in a long time, and Hillary is lamentably an idiot, and unworthy of trust.

As if there weren't 10,000 other threads going right now where you could talk about this.

where you could have posted this as well

Because in the midst of all of this, I've heard very few words about their accomplishments, and a whole lot of stuff about intercene arguing in the national party. I felt that the idea that this was a group effort was getting lost.

Sorry if that offends you.

The GOTV effort was well organized and volunteers well utilized, for a change. To give credit only to the "leadership" only degrades the grassroots.

I was just getting a little tired of the candidates themselves being addressed as little more than names on the ballot, with mysterious overlords controlling everything.

for good reason. He does look spiffy in the sheep's clothing done up like he is a Democrat, but the wolf's tail of his sticking out has Republican wolf written all over it.

The title of the thread is a joke. I happily include Lamont and his supporters in the "new blood" for the party to which I referred in the post. I may not agree with them all the time, but they sure have a hell of a lot of commitment.

shows the problem with the very laudable and encouraging dedication and energy that brought this win in this election.

I believe the two major parties are too much alike and too joined at the hip for the genuine change needed to fight the genuine problems in this country.

9 11 was an inside job, and this election only allowing the usual degree of shift in seats in both chambers was merely the pressure relief valve working well.

Those in the shadow government that employ the Bush Family and others know well the need to maintain plausible denial and how to bend like the palm tree as not to break like an oak would in the sort of hurricane of discontent created by the shift away from being the United States to becoming the North American Union with it's charter or constitution super-ceding ours.

With the co opting that has occurred to both parties, I fret that it is already too late to save our country, and remain unconvinced that this election means real change.

What is needed is a purging of the executive branch of war criminals, what is needed is a strengthening of Posse Comitatus, a restoration of Habeas Corpus, and an immediate start to the withdrawal from the countries we have imperialistically invaded under Bush and other things that seem unpalatable to the Democratic leadership.

George McGovern's peace plan is the one genuine and decent thing I know of of any substance I have seen from a Democrat ass of yet after this election.

So while I congratulate Democrats and agree with you that the new commitment and energy of many people who got involved in this election is a very excellent thing, I'm am not at all convinced either party is free from outside influence and actually works to uphold the U.S. Constitution and works for the people of the United States as their primary focus.

HIDEY HOLE

He was our greatest asset.

Next time, we won't have him to kick around any more. And I suspect a lot of our new players will do better than we expect, when the time comes.

campaign for us... The people spoke... I always believed that they would do this because they see the bottom line.. It is in their short paychecks, their overblown mortgages, the high cost of living, and health care cost that families with full time jobs cannot afford...


The people have had enough, and their Government needs to do right by them... When was the last time we passed a bill that actually helped the average American citizen? I think now is the time to do that... Show them they made the right choice... Then work on bringing our troops home and holding those accountable for their actions....

However, the People aren't going to vote for us unless we give them something good to vote for. Yeah, Bush's approval rating and Rumsfeld were godsends, but we still wouldn't have won without good candidates, organization, grassroots, etc. and I just wanted to single all of those folks out for a bit of praise in the midst of all this infighting (in which I have been a willing participant, so no holier-than-thou attitude from me on this point.)

:sarcasm:

It's the combination of elements that makes a cake.

and

within reason, you can post, start your own thread any time you choose

k&r

I think we hit a perfect storm of coordination, planning, and national mood this year...much like the Republicans did in 1994. I think the public was ready for change. I think Emanuel found the right candidates to address that desire. I think Dean found the money for all of them. I think the candidates did a fantastic job. I think the GOTV apparatus was in place. I think the message was good. And I think we won as a result.

And Hillary Clinton's victory is not getting nearly enough coverage, in my opinion. Six years ago, she was the carpet-bagging dragon lady. Today, she is Senator for Life, getting 60 percent of the vote and being praised by local Republicans. In six years, she's transformed herself into Robert Byrd in a pant-suit.

They, after all, are the ones who either got motivated to show up or not, and decided among the various candidates. We can compliment the various campaigns, sure, but we can also praise the decision-making of the electorate.

I loves me some voters, yes I do.