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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:37 PM
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Chávez attacks Bush as a 'genocidal' leader
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/special_packages/5min/15965767.htm

CARACAS - When Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chávez called President Bush ''the devil'' in a U.N. speech in September, many thought his ''anti-imperialist'' rhetoric had reached rock bottom.

But fresh depths have since been plumbed. The Venezuelan government, to judge from recent events, officially regards Bush as a genocidal Nazi who arranged the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to justify aggression against other nations.

In a speech Tuesday, Chávez criticized the decision of an Iraqi court to sentence former dictator Saddam Hussein to the death penalty. ''If sentencing is to be done,'' Chávez said, ``the first one to be given the most severe sentence this planet has to offer should be the president of the United States, if we're talking about genocidal presidents.''

RESOLUTION ON 9/11

His comments, which were fairly typical of his recent attacks on Bush, came shortly after the publication of a resolution by Venezuela's legislative National Assembly describing the 9/11 attacks as ''self-inflicted'' and after an exhibition at the Foreign Ministry building in Caracas in which Bush was portrayed as a Nazi storm trooper.

The resolution, which appeared in the official government gazette in mid-October, primarily criticized Washington's decision to build a wall along the Mexican border to keep illegal immigrants out.

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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:45 PM
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1. This Is TERRIBLE!!!
Who in the HELL wrote the following headline: "Chávez attacks Bush as a 'genocidal' leader"

Here's what it SHOULD SAY:

"Chávez SPEAKS THE TRUTH: Bush IS a genocidal leader"
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:45 PM
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2. This Is TERRIBLE!!!
Who in the HELL wrote the following headline: "Chávez attacks Bush as a 'genocidal' leader"

Here's what it SHOULD SAY:

"Chávez SPEAKS THE TRUTH: Bush IS a genocidal leader"
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NeverOddOrEven Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:46 PM
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3. Chávez attacks Bush as a 'genocidal' leader
He ain't lying.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:59 PM
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5. That is a lie, democracy is functioning in Venezuela
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 05:00 PM by wuushew
help the largest segment of the population (the poor) and it is hard to not win a majority of a the vote. What is wrong with this?


Perhaps you are simply irratiated at his rhetoric which may to you seem uncivil. However who cares if it is not for U.S. domestic consumption? I don't.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:00 PM
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7. "Chavez is just Bush in L/A form." Not true. He hasn't invaded anybody.
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 06:05 PM by Peace Patriot
He hasn't slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. He doesn't torture people. And very UNLIKE Bush, Chavez is highly respectful of the Venezuelan Constitution. For instance, the leftist mayor of Caracas recently proposed condemning two countryclubs/golf courses, and using the land for much needed low cost housing. Chavez and his government nixed the plan because Venezuela's Constitution PROTECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY.

"The guy has the reek of a wannabee dictator." The reek? How about some facts? What ACTIONS has he taken that are "dictatorial" in your opinion? What has he SAID that points to a "dictatorial" attitude?

"Anyone wanna place bets on how many decades el-President-for-life Chavez spends in office?" So far, Chavez has been the popular choice for president in the most highly monitored elections on earth, with ALL the monitoring parties--the OAS, the Carter Center, and EU election monitoring groups--unanimously declaring Venezuelan elections to be honest and aboveboard. That's three elections (including a U.S/Bushite-funded Recall.) Chavez has not said anything about being "president for life." He has merely ASKED THE LEGISLATURE to amend the Constitution to permit him to RUN FOR and BE ELECTED TO a third term, which must be ratified by a popular vote. FDR ran for and won a third term. Then a fourth. Was that dictatorial? Some big businessmen/rightwingers thought so. Most people didn't. If he's elected, and the vote is clean, what's the problem? Why paint him as a "banana republic" dictator, when there are no facts to support it, and it is obviously not true?

"Before the inevitable coup..." The only coup attempt so far in Venezuela has been AGAINST Chavez--a violent military coup applauded by, and backed by, the Bush Junta, which is also pouring OUR taxpayer money into the political opposition in Venezuela (the rich oil elite) in violation of Venezuelan law. Who are the junta-ists? Who are the would-be assassins? Who is operating illegally, and plotting destruction of this democracy and its hard-won majority rule?

"He's the kind of guy who wins all the elections, because nobody else is ever allowed on the ballot." This is completely wrong and unfactual. Chavez has had vociferous opposition in ALL his elections, with candidates running against him, and 24/7 propaganda against him in all the corporate news monopolies, and still he won, by margins ranging 55% to 60% of the vote. If he had no opposition, who were those 40%-45% votes FOR, hm? And Chavez can't help it if his opposition are assholes. (And they are--real stupidos!). I would like to see him have a healthy opposition--to help him avoid any temptation to demagoguery and to provide oversight. But it's not HIS fault that there isn't. He suppresses NO ONE!

"I look forward to his departure from the world stage." And how would you go about arranging that? You a Venezuelan voter? Or maybe you support the Bush Junta's new "training" of death squad paramilitaries for Latin America? They would be glad to relieve you of this burden of Chavez being on "the world stage."

"Venezuela deserves better." You obviously know absolutely nothing about Venezuela. All economic indicators are up in Venezuela, including pulling people out of poverty. They achieved 100% literacy in five years, by getting input from poor regions, which had never before been served by government, and asking them what they needed. First priority: adult literacy classes, and other educational help (building/staffing schools in poor areas; free university education to all we want it and who qualify). The list of achievements in helping the poor also includes medical centers in poor areas where none ever existed before, community centers, and small business loans and grants, and also land reform to encourage food self-sufficiency (use of disused lands for farming), assistance to Venezuela artists (to fight off U.S. corporate monoculture), and return of lands to the indigenous (which was written into the Constitution as a right, but of course has to be implemented--Chavez's government has done so). After decades and centuries of brutal oppression, Venezuelan at long last has a JUST government that represents the MAJORITY of its people--and also a lawful and stable one, bolstered by fair taxation of Venezuela's considerable oil resource. I would suggest that you educate yourself about what's really happening in Venezuela, before you make a statement like "Venezuela deserves better." Chavez's government is magnitudes of better, beyond anything Venezuela has ever experienced. Holding a resentful grudge against Chavez--whatever your reasons--cannot make these achievements go away, and it only contributes to the vicious corporate and Bushite propaganda against Hugo Chavez whom they have demonized because he is a populist and he thinks the country's biggest resource--oil--should benefit the people who live there. If he is one day assassinated by the forces that the Bushites are arraying against him and other South American democracies, in Columbia and Paraguay, you will have done your little part to help them get away with it, by spreading disinformation. Chavez is certainly aware that they will kill him if they can. He has already suffered one kidnapping/coup, and survived it because tens of the thousands of Venezuelans poured into the streets to demand return of their ELECTED president and re-opening of the legislature (which the coupsters had shut down). His statements about Bush may well be his strategy for dealing with the pressure--and for staying visible, to prevent another attempt, by keeping the world aware of the threat that the Bushites pose to himself and to his country.

"Just like we deserve better than Bush." Yup. And if we had had a TRANSPARENT election in this country in 2004--instead of the ludicrous farce of Bushite corporations "counting" all the votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--we would.*

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*(Venezuela has electronic voting, but--unlike in the land of the free, home of the brave--THEY have OPEN SOURCE CODE, vote tabulation code that anyone may review. Also a paper trail, and fingerprint ID.)
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 05:03 PM
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6. Chavez is telling the truth
His biggest danger in the next several years will be whether he will be overthown by US covert action or an actual military invasion. But he is telling the truth about Bush.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:10 PM
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8. I agree 100%
but he probably shouldn't be so outspoken. Many leaders and politicians all over the world agree but they don't say it publically. A Liberal politician in Canada got into trouble for calling Bush a moron and for trampling on a Bush doll on a comedy TV show. She got dumped. Even so I lovit!!!!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:13 PM
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9. If Chavez is a Latin American Bush, he would've invaded Colombia by now
And installed a Venezuelan puppet government that claims to be democratic.
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