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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:44 PM
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I know I'm from a dumb ass state
and I'm really not that offended by Rep. Rangel's remarks. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/10/rangel.mississippi.ap/index.html

He said, "Who the hell wants to live in Mississippi?"

I sometimes ask myself that same question. Who the hell really wants to stay in a state that ranks high on almost every bad thing there is and low on almost every good thing there is. You see Bu$h/Voldemort stickers almost every single day. The majority of people from here have absolutely no shame for supporting the Bush crime family. The majority of the people have cloaked their once prominent racism (that's what got you into high Mississippi 1950s-1960s society-being a White Citizens Council member) into more subtle ways to express their true feelings (the white-flight to the suburbs that surround Jackson). So many of our state representatives and senators have NO SHAME posing in photos with members of the Council of Conservative Citizens (our governor, Trent Lott, among others) http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=622

Possible reasons for staying here in Mississippi, aka, to me hell on earth could range from, as my mom told me over coffee at 8 am Monday morning, going to college here (she says that if you go to college in Mississippi, you're pretty much stuck) to just wanting to be around your fellow little Freeper friends. Of course, I don't want to experience neither of these scenarios. I should thank the lord everyday for allowing my mom to send me to a good school that provides me the good education to escape from here, and possibly, never to return.

But my good school is also my little bubble. My little liberal bubble in all of bright, red, good ole Mississippi. And I'm shocked when I get out of it and start to experience the real Mississippi. My aunt constantly tells me not to talk politics with her friends on the very-red Gulf Coast and even driving through the eastern part of the state on my way to places like Birmingham or Atlanta, I experience something new, but old. And scary.

I watch the films and see the pictures of the "old" Mississippi. And I do admit, we have progressed some. But we are still the same in some places. For instance, the school system is still practically segregated. Minorities at public school, whites at private school (my school is an exception-we're just a big bundle of multicultural fun! Seriously...) and whatnot. And even at the public schools, the "good" public schools are the ones with the most white kids and the "bad" public schools are the ones with the most minorities. We need a major overhaul of the public school system here. Did I mention Mississippi ranks 49th in the country on education?

Chip Pickering and many like him say we, the people of the "great" state of Mississippi deserve an apology for Rep. Rangel's remarks. But I don't think that we do. He was simply telling the truth in a very blunt way. And I applaud him for that.

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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:51 PM
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1. So...is the Klan still hanging out there or what?
OK. I'm just teasing. :)
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:54 PM
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2. it's okay...well in some parts of the state, yes
there is still Klan activity: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=MS&m=4

Scary isn't it? Though in the 1950s-1960s the Klan was for the lower-class racists, while the White Citizens Council was for the more...er..."high society" racists.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:54 PM
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3. It may not always be a dumbass state
Maybe you are part of the solution.

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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:56 PM
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5. I'll try
It's all I can do. I'm still in school and don't have unlimited money to donate. Plus my mom likes to donate more to relgious/charity causes than to political ones.

I'll try and get my voice heard. Maybe I shoud modify this (i.e. delete the curse words) and send it as a LTTE....
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:55 PM
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4. And Rangel was joking when he said that.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 10:44 PM by cat_girl25
I remember watching a Richard Pryor concert when he was talking about the people in Mississippi being so prejudiced that some of their white people were kept locked in basements in chains. It was quite funny but he was only joking.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:57 PM
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7. Yeah, but even if he was joking, he was telling the truth
And people got offended with the truth. Like with most things. People here get offended when you say that Bu$h lied....:eyes:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:56 PM
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6. playing a hunch

I married a Millsaps gal who migrated long ago. She still is amazed at having found ANY liberal "bubble" in MS after growing up in the Delta.

Have I outed you, location wise?



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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:59 PM
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8. no, it's fine
hopefully, the folks at FreakRepublic are too caught up in this new scandal to start new "lets stalk some DUers" threads. Plus, if anyone from there tries to stalk me, etc, I can get the cops onto their ass :)
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Vorta Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:00 PM
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9. Mississippi gets a bad rap
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 10:00 PM by Vorta
In reality, how much difference is there between Mississippi and any other state? Racism can be found in any state in the union, in several different forms. The public schools are having problems nearly everywhere and they can't figure out how to fix them. You can spend the exact same amount per pupil in two different schools and get two different results and the only apparent operation is the parental support, homelife, and culture which either does or doesn't support the student.

Mississippi will undergo drastic changes in the next two decades, after Alabama is suburbanized. The relatively mild climate, recreational potential, and relatively cheap land means that they will become the next destination for those trying to escape other places.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:01 PM
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10. Whoa...really?
Though I don't know who would like to escape to the Freephole of the USA....
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Vorta Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:15 PM
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16. Buy waterfront property
Though I don't know who would like to escape to the Freephole of the USA....

They are building monster houses and condos in the swamps all along the eastern seaboard. I see advertisements for vacation homes in Arkansas. Arkansas!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:02 PM
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11. Hey, a LOT of tight-ass fundies from this part of Oklahoma take regular trips
to Tunica to gamble. I've been to Gulfport & Biloxi many times and didn't find many knuckledraggers there so don't despair...there are plenty of sane folks down there like there are here, we just have to search them out and fight like hell. :D
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:03 PM
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12. Amen!
Maybe my aunt was being overdramatic like she always is when she tells me she's ABSOLUTELY surrounded by rethugs. Though some of the stuff she tells me is really funny, like this one lady tried to complement her by telling my aunt she reminded her of Pickles...:rofl:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:09 PM
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13. I've never been there but I thought Jackson was a fairly progressive place.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:12 PM
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14. certain parts of it are, like downtown and everything
but once you get further south or further north to the suburbs, it starts to get less and less progressive.... :(
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:14 PM
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15. My wife and I are planning a trip down that way and Jackson might be a stop for at least a day.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 10:14 PM by AlinPA
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:17 PM
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17. Cool. If you're in the area, spend some time in the Fondren area
it's a pretty liberal part of Jackson. PM me if you want details or restaurants (for all of it's faults, Mississippi has some damn good places to eat!) or whateverrrrr
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:23 PM
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18. Homer's Barbeque Store? Someone said we should go there.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:36 PM
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19. Back in the early 80's
my sister lived in Hattiesburg for a couple of years (husband's job) and I visited her a couple of times. While I was horrified and depressed by the clear signs of racism -- the all white "Christian" schools, the deep poverty I saw blacks living in -- I could also see that it is in many ways a beautiful state. As is true of most, probably all, of our states. They had then, and I hope still do have, a system of Water Parks that made for great recreation.

As for schools, I believe that rather than comply with Brown v the Board of Education, Mississippi had chosen to eliminate any requirement for mandatory schooling. Around 1983 (the time of my first visit there) they finally re-instated mandatory schooling requirements. That's a very important reason why the public school system there is so terrible. Such a shame, because bad schools hurt everyone.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:49 PM
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20. Look at it this way: MS has nowhere to go but UP...
I'm a Georgian, relocated due to employment to Mississippi in 1998 and been here ever since. Much of the bad stuff about the state is true, but there are many good things, too. I hope Mississippi has a bright, hopeful, and progressive future, for the sake of the many genuinely wonderful folks, black and white, that I've met since I've been living here. As for Georgia, I used to be so PROUD to be from the most progressive southern state. Not anymore. I hardly ever mention the fact that I'm from the state that produced Zell Miller and Saxby Chambliss, and re-elected that pathetic cartoon character as governor.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:59 PM
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22. R.E.M. is from Georgia
Which, imho, is a VERY good thing...hehe. i love them.

I guess you're right. We progressive Mississippians gotta stick together and change things...:woohoo:
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 11:25 PM
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23. Yep, also the B-52's, Jimmy Carter, and Martin Luther King
If I didn't love Georgia so much, my heart wouldn't be so broken. I love Mississippi, too, and have seen the BEST come out in almost everyone in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I have a feeling we're going to be just fine, and surprise everyone!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:51 PM
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21. When I was a kid we lived in Tennessee
and I can remember my grandfather saying "Thank god for Mississippi. Without it TN would be at the bottom for everything."
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