Carville Failed.

If his intent was to instigate so much bad press about Dean, that even Dean's supporters backed away or were silenced, he failed. If his intent was to slap down the netroots, he failed.

We, the grassroots/netroots, are actually strengthened by Carvilles attempted coup.

He lost. We won.

Mrs. Clinton will try again soon - she only has a year or so to destroy the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

It's like the FReeptard site in here anymore. WTF is your people's PROBLEM???? :grr:

from her continued defense of her IWR to her criticism of Kerry after his bothched joke.

The Clintons will do almost anything to pillage the Middle Class at the behest of the Predator Class. NAFTA, "free" trade with China, bankruptcy bill, etc.

Add to that craven triangulation, and a side order of chronic lying, and there you have it.

Mr. Dean, like actual Democrats, is trying to stop the sodomy of the Middle Class, and he is honest.

The Clinton economy featured the longest economic expansion in our history. Everyone benefited - poor, middle class, wealthy.

http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/jobwelldone.html

How can you post such ignorant nonsense?

It's Bush's policies that have pillaged the middle class, not the Clintons.

Given that all the evidence shows that during Bill Clinton's presidency, the middle class was thriving moreso than at any time in the nations history due to the biggest economic expansion in history. Clinton made that happen by treating the middle class very, very well and GROWING the middle class more than any other President in history. Guess that's not good enough for you, heh? Pathetic. :eyes:

Things sucked less for the Middle Class under Clinton than either Bush - but the Middle Class did its best in the early-mid 70's.

Income disparities grew magnificently under Clinton - and NAFTA, "free" trade with China, and other largesses to Wal-Mart and the Predator Class continued the disembowelment of the Middle Class that began under Reagan.

You don't know what you're talking about. Just cuz you say it don't make it true. Under Clinton we had the biggest economic expansion in history. Period. And the middle class benefitted tremendously. You must use the same "math" as Karl Rove. Your assertions are pathetically absurd.

and when President Clinton was in office I did VERY WELL. Since the idiot in thief has "taken" office,my life has been reduced to sitting at home most of the time because I CAN'T PHUCKING AFFORD TO GO ANYWHERE. Here we sit with an RV in our driveway and can't afford to use it because bu$h and his oil buddies have made it impossible to afford the GAS. Glad you are doing so well under bu$h,Mr. Goldstein! :grr:

attempts at hijacking the party and its agenda by the Clinton's and their henchmen (James Carville for example).

Maybe they're sick and tired of Billy's continual support of Poopy Bush and his friends.

Maybe they remember the lovely trade agreements he gave the country.

Maybe they are fully aware that Billy covered for both the Reagan and Bush administration's criminal activity by refusing to hold investigations or letting anyone look into what they had been allowed to do in all the time they held America by the throad.

Maybe they're sick of Hil's constant hedging on important issues and siding with corporate America against the best interests of the rest of us.

Maybe the fact that she NEVER takes a stand that is in line with the majority of the people who make up the Democratic Party. She has shown herself to be one hair just this side of the moderate Republicans. And just because I use the word moderate, I don't mean to infer that there isn't something wrong with that. They still support spying on the American people, tax breaks for the rich, and would have us pledging our allegiance to corporate America rather than the ideals of what America was meant to stand for (truth, justice, liberty, freedom from fear of our own government).

Ever heard Hils take a stand on outsoucing? Me neither. What's her stand on the tax breaks for the rich?

Hils pushed at one time for medical care for all Americans. That was the first and the last social issue that I can recall her taking a firm stand on, insisting we all had the same rights as the rich to medical care. Haven't heard a lot of that from her lately either. But maybe I missed it.

Just because people here don't want to see the Clintons become the Dems answer to the bush** family dynasty hardly means that you should be called people here Freeptards. In fact, your rabid support of the Clintons just might make some people wonder what the hell your problem might be.

Who needs a representative democracy when you can get a Corporatist Monarchy!

I thought we against dynasties?

Progressives in Bill Clinton administration wanted his first action in 1993 to be single payer health care.

But after criticism from party insiders and insurance lobbyists, Hillary withdrew support from that internal faction and threw her weight behind a doomed effort to implement what is now known as Masscare nationally -- FORCING all Americans to join one of a selected list of for-profit HMOs.

Pure fascism and it totally destroyed the push for single-payer health care. For-profit health insurance and rabidly mercenary drug industries are destroying the economy. Hillary's health care and Bush's drug act actually CHAIN us to the fortunes of those individual companies.

Just like Bush's social security plan would force the government to subsidize Wall Street with the retirement savings of trillions of dollars of Americans, causing massive stock market inflation and an attendant devaluation of the dollar.

Individual companies institutionalized as government clients. That's not fascism, that's mercantilism, or feudalism.

as DNC chair is a liability for Senator Clinton, but we won this skirmish.

Or do you have evidence that Carville is working for Clinton? Otherwise, you're totally talking out of your ass.

Even Rahm distanced himself, fer chrissakes.

Use your head - your smarter than that.

So maybe she's behind all the UFO sightings too. :eyes:

IOW, you have no evidence and you're talking out of your ass.

Bush and Cheney were unwittingly led to war by bad intelligence.

Yep.

And those long-missing Whitewater documents that magically appeared in Mrs. Clinton's quarters in the White House? That was really magic - she had no idea of where they'd been, or why her law firm's property was in her own home. Magic!

And Mr. Clinton did not have sex with that woman, M... oh, nevermind.

Because none of that is relevant to the OP and you have no evidence to back up your idiotic assertion that Clintion is behind Carville's comments. Put up or shut up, Chester.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/flavia-colgan/is-james-carville-throwin_b_34331.html

Huffington Post's Flavia Colgan:

Dean was smart. Though the party had a $10 million line of credit - the same amount Hillary had on hand - he refused to send the party into deep debt, just to make some consultants happy.

I thought this was an interesting point.

I'm through with Carville. I used to admire his passion, but after attacking Dean so soon after our incredible wins in last election, and doing so, so openly doing the republics and rightwingers' bidding for them, I can't forgive such a traitorous ass like him.

I also don't understand why Hillary's not immediately come out to repudiate Carville at the speed of, say...having repudiated Kerry for his botched joke, for example.

The silence is deafening...

secret of his support for and loyalty to the Clintons. Robert Reich who certainly knows more than you do, thinks it's a real possibility. Presidents and front runners always want an ally to run the national committee whether you're speaking of a repub or dem. Dean is not a Clinton ally. There you go- not conclusive, but it is evidence that the possibility that Carville is carrying for the Clinton. Don't like it? Tough.

And neither do you or Reich. It's fine to speculate, but making hyperbolic, counterproductive statements like "she only has a year or so to destroy the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." and "they hate the middle class" is bullshit and it's divisive and it's smearing and trashing someone (a Dem) w/ no evidence whatsoever. It's bullshit and I'll call people on it when I see it. And the particular poster who is posting this divisive drivel has a history of doing so.

Reich has a firm foundation on which to speculate: He's an insider and knows all the players. As for your beef with a certain poster, that's your beef, don't complain to me about it.

And what you base it on. As far as I'm concerned one idiotic theory is as good as the next.

Now why would you say it, one wonders.

Thank you for your concern.

Because it's true.

was having a bad hair day?

I think not.

And I don't know whose water he's carrying, but so far all I've seen is bullshit assertions that it's Clinton behind it w/ nothing to back it up.

It just doesn't make sense.

Talk about your tin ear. The party wins and wins big for the first time in years and the first thing you do is send out one of your surrogates to attack the party chairman who's admittedly controversial strategy helped win the victory.

They also didn't make sure that Carville had a chorus of leading Democrats ready to support him in his statements. Raum Emmanual, Chuck Schumer and others who've sparred with Dean quickly backed away from Carville as did Pelosi and Reid. Dean's status with the state party chairs has moved from good to golden.

I can't see Bill Clinton's hand behind this--it's just too crude and Bill Clinton is anything but crude. The man can slip a knife in your back and make you thank him for the favor.

This was either A. Hillary acting through Carville, in which case it makes you wonder about her political savvy or B. Carville blabbing away on his own--maybe the Democratic victory is screwing up his home life--in which case you have to wonder about his political sanity.

But an old lesson. Play with fire, you might get burned.

But he has this sports show on XM that's pretty good. Maybe he should stick to that & stay out of politics.

They are even bringing Dean's trip to Canada as keynote speaker for the Liberal party into the fray. Apparently they are singling out a few of the party leaders who don't like his coming and filling the media with it. Yet I have read that many are very pleased. or either not that aware. I mean Clinton, Carville, et al go to Canada a lot in various positions...but hey, you don't see much media criticism.

Also I notice there is now a tendency for those who ran without DCCC support in their states, and even those who ran more local races..to say it was the fault of Dean's strategy that they lost.

No, Carville and whoever he is working for is not done yet. I suspect some very negative news cycles are coming.

I have never heard him so shaken, shrill, and desperate, I think we are winning.

That was my first thought.