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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:28 AM Original message |
Are DU activists becoming strategists? |
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Fierce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. I often wonder when Democrats |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And when they decided to start giving in to RW lies instead of fighting them. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
2. I've taken a lot of bashing at my blog--because I've had to 'nail' |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. For me it's simple, |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. The Dem 'strategists' were all surprised that CORRUPTION topped the exit polls |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Really? Which Dem Strategists were surprised? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. CNN election night, both Carville and Begala were surprised it was a major issue. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Oh, those has beens. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. They still are - and current pundits had also been pushing religious values talk and |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. They're pundits. Not strategists. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. The name strategists are still an influence in the overall party and ignored corruption |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I can name strategists who didn't ignore corruption as an issue. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I'm talking about PAID strategists and pundits. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Oh PAID. I guess the winners this year didn't use paid strategists. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. You know the difference between the strategists surprised that corruption was an issue |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I think the point ... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Thank you Roy - well said! |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
68. blm, I think the term you are looking for is "consultants", like Carville. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Carville, Begala and Shrum....are hired "strategists." |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No. C&B used to be strategists. Now they're pundits. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Their Consulting Firm is still in Business .....they are Paid Strategists who |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. More on Greenberg, Carville, Shrum Political Consulting Firm.... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. So tell us what actual campaigns Carville & Begala worked on this past election |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. What I replied to was whether they are "Pundits" or "Consultants for |
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G_Leo_Criley (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Very Well Stated |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. "Anti-gun-control" was in part WHY other issues could rise to the top... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
7. Another driving analogy.... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. There are DU Activists who are involved in the Party, DU talkers who |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I just want specifics |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. When a Dem Dictator takes power....then maybe we can discuss what |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. did you read anything else I said? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yes, I did read what you said. No, I didn't accuse you of being a troll, and |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. you are way off on straw men now. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Your comments stand on their own.....even when you edit them. n./t |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I apologize for my warlike rhetoric |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Google DLC ......n/t |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. well, it was brought up here, not on google |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I'd be interested in seeing such a list as well... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Here are some examples of capitiulation |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Perhaps if you could do a separate post asking what would be on |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. sui generis, what Armstead mentions would be a start for |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I would love to! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. some things can wait out another year of posturing and bickering on all sides |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
16. I bloody well hope so, too |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. There's a difference between strategy and rationalization |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
27. "Check my gray hair. Hell, check yours." |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. leadership also requires followers |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. You'll make a great leader sui generis! |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
29. Perhaps a test is in order. |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
37. Strategy is a means to an end |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
38. I don't care if we become strategists. I just don't think it will work! |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Keep in mind the groups driving media discussions... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. That's why they are called the "commercial media"..... |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Such a problem... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. They have taken "distraction techniques" to a new level... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
45. I hope so, too. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
49. Deleted message |
patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
50. If "cut off your nose to spite your face" is a strategy. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. DU is a place where we discuss, and hopefully learn, modify, and grow |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Good post. |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
52. Am I shocked at this post? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Understand your point....but Internet is taking us new places... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Hm |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. would you settle for a partial withdrawal leading to total withdrawal from Iraq? |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
57. You left out a critical word that changes everything in your post: |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. You are correct |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. Well said. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. I totally agree! |
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Minnesota_Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
66. Agreed...totally...100%. Heart + Strategy=winning. Heart - Strategy=2001 thru 2006 |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
69. I'd hope so, if we want to actually get any legislation passed. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
70. My response: I f*cking well hope NOT. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
72. we all became strategists in January '93. |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
73. Here here. |
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