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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:59 PM
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Predictions on what rights will be the first on the chopping block
with Herr Alito on the court?

Will it be first amendment rights, or fourth or fifth? Will Alito be the one that will vote to give Our Glorious Leader the dictatorial power he desires? Will women lose the right to choose? Will the states lose control of environmental, labor, law enforcement, or other rights afforded by the tenth amendment?

Will some other justice step forward to play O'Conner's role and foil bush's power grab?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:03 PM
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1. It will be the President's rights, not ours, before the courts first
BushCo needs to get Chimpy protected, just in case. Watch for a flurry of Presidential-power cases to shore up the Evil Emperor's hold on power before any attempted impeachment.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:04 PM
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2. Some other justice? Thomas, Scalia, or Roberts...
to play O'Conner's role (bad as it was!)? I'm afraid we're all out of miracles.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:04 PM
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3. Scalia will be a check on the Executive
Even though he dissented in Hamdi v Rumsfeld, it was for the resolution of the case not the underlying question and he would not agree with allowing the Executive the right to arbitrarily suspend habeas corpus.

From his dissent:

"Where the Government accuses a citizen of waging war against it, our constitutional tradition has been to prosecute him in federal court for treason or some other crime. Where the exigencies of war prevent that, the Constitution’s Suspension Clause, Art. I, §9, cl. 2, allows Congress to relax the usual protections temporarily. Absent suspension, however, the Executive’s assertion of military exigency has not been thought sufficient to permit detention without charge. No one contends that the congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force, on which the Government relies to justify its actions here, is an implementation of the Suspension Clause. Accordingly, I would reverse the decision below."
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:06 PM
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4. Plus Scalia is pissed that he didn't get his 'deal'...
.. that he was promised.. no Chief Justice Scalia
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 04:51 PM
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16. who did he have the deal with?
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:01 PM
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29. You don't think the SCOTUS decided Gove v. Bush on it's Merits do you???
Waiter! Reality Check Please!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 11:52 AM
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30. This summer could bring a reality check. Many of the displaced
NOLA residents are going to make their voices heard.

This might be the first real test of Alito and Roberts, but maybe bush will get to use some of the weapon systems they have tested in Iraq.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:29 PM
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11. The thought of Scalia being the swing vote fucks with my
head no end.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:07 PM
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5. LGBT rights
since Governor Kaine, an avowed homophobe, is presenting the Democratic response to SOTU, it is obvious who the first target is going to be.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:08 PM
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6. 4th be gone already.
They have to keep the 5th, for themselves.
2nd, for votes.
So I'll say: more of the First: Speech, Assembly, Press.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:23 PM
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9. Agreed, First - gives the wingnuts to rail against everything they
want to (choice, gay rights, minorities) without worrying about anyone being able to say anything back.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:47 PM
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23. O'Lielly was talking about the "limits of dissent" during "wartime"
:scared:
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:11 PM
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7. Maybe they'll finally change that pesky "rich people murdering" rule...
the rich should be able to murder, screw, or enslave anyone they want because, as we all know, they're better than we are so they know what's best for all of us.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:21 PM
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8. Protection for religiously insane pharmacists
and others in the medical field who choose not to do their job because of their "BELIEFS."
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:26 PM
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10. dissent
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 04:23 PM
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12. dissent will survive, with or without a legal outlet.
My dad used to say, "tighter the reins, the more the horse wants to gallop."


Read all of our Declaration of Independence. It spells out our rights and duties as citizens if our government turns against us.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 04:51 PM
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15. I didn't say it would go away--they will just attack it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:28 PM
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17. I understood, I was saying any attempt to stifle dissent will
be met with defiance.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 04:29 PM
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13. One thing will be certain
The 2nd will remain intact.
No threat to that one.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 04:34 PM
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14. Miranda rights have been in the cross-hairs of the far right
for some time now.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:32 PM
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19. Usually you don't read Miranda rights before you torture
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 06:33 PM by alfredo
some victim.

Roe will be overturned, not because of abortion, but because it was "wrongly decided." That great wrong has to do with the right to privacy. Republicans see the right to privacy as a roadblock for government and corporate control.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:29 PM
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18. With any luck, the gun control of acts of 1934 and 1968
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 06:41 PM by SlipperySlope
Misunderstood: thought topic was "laws on the chopping block", not "rights on the chopping block".
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:34 PM
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20. It won't be the 2nd, that's for sure
since that's the only one these fucks value
:mad:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:43 PM
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21. If bush's policies destabilize our society, they may rue the day they
rejected gun control.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:45 PM
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22. Disabilty Benefits and Stem Cell Research.
Thank you for not supporting Senator Kerry's presidency. I'll be out on the street now in a wheel chair.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:02 PM
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25. I'm a veteran, I am disabled, old, poor, Atheist, and Liberal. I am
screwed, but my anger is stronger than my fear.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 07:09 AM
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26. Agreed I wont stop fighting.
I channel that fear into fire. And I'll use that fire as energy to beat back what ever the republicans throw at me.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:19 PM
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27. Tonight I am meeting with fellow malcontents to work on some
ideas for the 2006 campaign. If we don't take care of the local races, eventually those bad politicians will run for higher offices. We are fighting from the ground up to change the system. If we don't succeed soon, it might be too late.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:50 PM
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24. Alito completes the Uber Executive Privilege program-fini!
Dear George,

I've got your back!

Who luvs ya baby!


Ali
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:22 PM
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28. The first targets will be the weakest politically, the poor, the
minorities, and women.
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