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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:10 PM
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Jimmy Carter: "Iraq Invasion...One Of The Greatest Blunders That American Presidents Have Ever Made"
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 06:30 PM by kpete
BLITZER: In the scheme of things, how big of a blunder was it in

terms of foreign policy blunders that American presidents has made?


CARTER: One of the -- it's going to prove, I believe, to be one of

the greatest blunders that American presidents have ever made.



BLITZER: Bigger than Vietnam?


CARTER: I think it's going to be a close call, but perhaps much

more vividly known by the rest of the world than Vietnam was. And, of

course, my answer is predicated on not knowing what's going to happen in

the future.



more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/11/28/jimmy-carter-iraq-invas_n_35097.html
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:14 PM
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1. And anyone who has seen the ineptitude
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 06:15 PM by BushDespiser12
of this Administration, and the deceit behind their campaigns... is suffering greatly.

Tears on my face are a constant occurrence.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:17 PM
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2. He was on MSNBC, too, and said Gore won in 2000 and should run again
Jimmy Carter has lost patience with the "polite and noncontroversial former President" role in recent years, but he's REALLY speaking up lately and I'm loving it.

He can't stand Bush 43. That much was clear in the way he openly and pointedly snubbed him at Coretta Scott King's funeral service.

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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:18 PM
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4. K&R for Carter nt
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:54 PM
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18. Carter's snub was payback
for Bush doing nothing to honor Jimmy Carter when he won the Nobel Peace Prize. This great moment for our country was ignored by the White House. Bush hasn't a shred of decency and honor.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 07:11 PM
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20. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right
The snub at Coretta's funeral was so blatant, I was a bit taken aback by it. Not that I disapproved - I was just surprised. Actually, I enjoyed it. I admit it. I'm small that way. I enjoy seeing someone I despise humiliated publicly. Especially when, as you say, he hasn't a shred of decency or honor.
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napingo Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:18 PM
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3. Course, President Jammy didn't condemn the IDEA of starting illegal wars,

he evidently just feels that this latest one is a "blunder".
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:31 PM
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6. how do you feel about this war?
hmmmmmmm?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:34 PM
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8. Weak (nt)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:35 PM
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9. That must be one fine nit comb you have there
to criticize the only President to ever bring any form of peace to the Middle East with the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel. He has worked tirelessly strengthening democracy around the world in overseeing elections. He has also put in countless hours with Habitat for Humanity in helping people get a home. He just said Bush has created the worst blunder in American Presidential history and instead of joining in on his insights, you slur his name.

P.S. Welcome to D.U.:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:42 PM
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12. right
:eyes:
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:44 PM
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14. He didn't condemn kicking puppies either.
Of course he wasn't asked about kicking puppies. And he wasn't asked about starting illegal wars in general, either. He was asked specifically about Iraq.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:47 PM
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16. "Jammy"? That's a first for this DEMOCRAT.
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 06:48 PM by WinkyDink
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Black Adder Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:55 PM
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19. Not a question of legality
This totally unnecessary war was a blunder from the git-go.
The intelligence (or lack thereof), the planning (and lack thereof), the execution, the follow-up, etc,etc.
Everything that could have gone wrong, did. One could even admire Napoleon for his brilliance in his execution of illegal wars. Bush, otoh, made the greatest and strongest nation on earth look like it couldn't poor piss out of a boot even if the instructions were written on the bottom.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 07:23 PM
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21. President who????????? do you have a problem with this wonderful man??
President Carter is a real man..a man get it?? not a disgusting liar and filthy murderer ..do you get that?? he is a humanitarian..he is a brilliant man unlike the fucking idiot who calls himself 43 ..or W as in weak.. fucking murderous liar!!


I love President Carter for the incredible , brilliant, caring "MAN " he is ..

fucking w couldn't hold his jock strap! and never, ever will be able to do so!

fly
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:55 AM
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38. Aw, but Bushie could lead a big CHEER! "Gimme a 'J', ..!"
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:37 AM
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43. No, jammies are what your mommy puts on you every night.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 10:38 AM by tabasco
Do you live in your basement like the fake-anthrax terrorist freeper? :shrug:
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 07:34 PM
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46. He also failed to condemn pedophilia,
which is telling after the Foley scandal.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:28 PM
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5. Here's how to spell it: N-A-T-I-O-N-A-L T-R-E-A-S-U-R-E
May this wonderful man live another 80+ years.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:33 PM
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7. Watch for the Right Wing Revenge
Maybe the Freepers will send more white powder to Jimmy Carter, since they can't take the criticism.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:39 PM
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10. Damn I miss a President who can think and speak.
He spoke the truth .... end of story.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:42 PM
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11. Go Jimmy!
:7
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:43 PM
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13. I love Jimmy Carter--he always tells the truth. He was one of the
best presidents we've had. The world is a better place because of him and his contribution to mankind.



Jimmy :yourock: and so does Rosilyn.

Peace!!
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Rockstone Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:59 PM
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34. Carter is fucking fire bombing them!
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:22 AM
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41. Jimmy's 21st book: Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.
Was interviewed last night by Judy Woodruff and the last question was about Iraq:

<clips>

Effect on situation in Iraq

JUDY WOODRUFF: Very quick final question about Iraq. Can you have peace in Iraq without fixing the Israeli-Palestinian problem, or is it vice versa? Do you must -- you first need to fix Iraq?

JIMMY CARTER: There is no way to separate the two. President Bush is over there now trying to harness supporters among the moderate Arabs. He just was in Jordan, and in Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and others that I need not name right now.

To get them to support us enthusiastically in Iraq means that he's going to have to alleviate their deep concern and their animosity -- with less than 5 percent of Jordanians and Egyptians looking with favor on our government -- because the main obstacle for their full support of the United States now in Iraq and other places is because we have not shown any interest for the last six years in alleviating the horrible plight of the Palestinians.

We've made no effort in the last six years to bring peace to Israel or to their adjacent neighbors, the Palestinians.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec06/carter_11-28.html

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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:44 PM
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15. I blame the rank and file Republlicans
who voted for these incompetents again and again and again.

Bush and the Republicans in the Congress lied and lied and lied.
It was plain for anyone to see who cared to look.

They had years to figure it out.

The blood is on their hands.



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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:50 PM
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17. Pres. Carter always looks for what's right and just...
not what's popular, or will appeal to some special interest group. He also speaks what's on his mind and that is so refreshing. Too bad he's not on the committee to share his ideas on getting out of Iraq! He is the one person who could pull together a true multi-national coalition to get something accomplished. A great diplomat is wasted while the chimp rules.
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:04 PM
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22. this was a down home man
and not some dam spoil brat kid who is a falure at everything he undertakes , including something simple as riding a dam bike , my hat goes off to the great jimmy carter who could carry his own water
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:07 PM
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23. I am proud to say that I was
a delegate for that man and worked hard to get him elected my first year in law school. I am also proud to say that it was Texas that put him over the top in electoral votes.

And as for bush,
my cat says that she wouldn't even let him clean out her litter box!
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:01 PM
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26. Cafferty was on CNN earlier criticizing President Carter...
...for criticizing Bush. Said Carter should not be criticizing Bush as he who casts the first stone etc.
Then he recited a litany of Carter mistakes and blunders F**K YOU CAFFERTY!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:08 PM
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27. My cat says she wouldn't let
Cafferty near her litter box either.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:57 PM
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24. At least the US was in Vietnam for an honorable, if horribly misguided, purpose,
that of stopping the spread of ungodly communism for, if the southern part of Vietnam fell, all the dominoes would topple and ungodly communism would spread throughout the world faster than the black plague or "Spanish" flu after WWI. Unfortunately millions of Vietnamese had to die or be maimed on their own soil and their infrastructure ripped apart by more tonnage of bombs than was dropped in Europe in WWII, but again, it was an honorable and noble purpose (stopping the commie hoards in their tracks), and certainly not a naked aggression for empire and resources as in you know where. The writer feels nothing is honorable and noble in killing and maiming millions on their own soil for ideological reasons, but what does he know. :rant:
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westerebus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 07:30 PM
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45. The lesson of Viet Nam.
You do not go to war unless you are willing to inflict death and destruction. If the government to which you are a citizen of attacks another country with out provocation,you are as guilty as the person drooping the bombs. The "I didn't vote for this guy" is bullshit. What could you have done to prevent it? What did you do to try to stop it? American soldiers are dying for a lie. This is not the first time. Probably not the last. I too am complicit in this tragedy. So how about we get them home NOW!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:58 PM
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25. 100% correct
This will be way worse than Vietnam.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:13 PM
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28. K & R !
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:25 PM
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29. It's MUCH worse than Viet Nam. We were supposed to have learned from Viet Nam.
Walking into this was unbelievably stupid.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:55 AM
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39. "The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. "~ Friedrich Hegel nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:47 PM
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30. Why did America hate Jimmy ...I can't remember why but I always ...
liked the guy for being honest and because he really takes his belief in God seriously unlike all the fakes that Bush consults with. He is the last good leader we will ever have imo.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:56 PM
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32. He was Framed by RayGun and Poppy over the Iran Hostages
And we had high inflation and a gas crisis

Of Course, The Pub elite had a lot to do with that too

My only problem is he differed to James Baker when he served
on Blue ribbon election commission after 2004

He should have spoken out
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:57 AM
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40. Why did America hate him? I think part of it was that he said things
people didn't (and still don't) want to hear, mainly that we need to conserve energy.

Another thing, he wasn't a blustering blowhard like some other presidents the US has had.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:48 PM
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31. Lov ya Jimmy
:woohoo:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:58 PM
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33. Yes! A real President! Hey I like saying that word. I miss it!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:36 PM
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35. The word "blunder" is too kind
That's the charitable interpretation of the Bushies' invasion of Iraq.

They knew exactly what they were doing and didn't care. The line about invading Iraq to "overthrow Saddam Hussein" and "establish a beacon for democracy in the Middle East" was always a load of nonsense, and they knew it.

They wanted a free hand in the Iraqi oil fields, and they wanted an unrestrained laboratory for their libertarian economic experiments.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:05 AM
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36. Yep, and All they did
was create a War Machine and sew chaos there so that Corporations (Defense, Halliburton, etc) could MILK the situation and ROB the Treasury while they pushed all the Patriotism Buttons of the American Public, frightened them, diverted them, all with a complicit media.

The whole thing was ONE HUGE WAR CRIME and CON, to Loot the Treasury, and anyone who writes anything else in the Media is a LIAR, and should be drug to the Hague along with MOST of the Bush admin..

And as for "Jammy" Carter, he served in the Miltary for more than a DECADE as a FLYBOY, so shut the fuck up about him being some kind of sissy, as a Veteran I respect him MORE than I realized when I heard that, and as a Humanitarian he's hard to Match world wide.

Pissy little fruitcakes (as in NUTS, not gay) like these right wingers that Don't KNOW a goddamned HERO when they See one.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:43 AM
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37. All of that and protect Israel too
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Old Smokey Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:31 AM
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42. Carter is a wise man
Iam glad to hear him speak out about these creeps
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:36 PM
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44. I thought Blitzer's head was going to explode as Carter explained aparthied in Israel

Poor Poor Blitzy could only quote Clinton as a way to divert attention from Carter's description of a form of aparthied and ethinic cleansing that has been ongoing in Israel for quite some time. Look at the wall they are putting up spliting up and dividing the occupied territories, forcing a brutal occupation of territories, mass arrests, bombing indescriminately and so on.

The Israel government is as bad as it gets.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 07:39 PM
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47. I think it's already the worst
It lit the fuse on the powder keg that is the ME. It alienated the ENTIRE rest of the world. And it's costing a billion dollars a week, plus lots of bodies. It's worse than Nam.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 02:43 AM
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48. The thought of Blitzer even ASKING that question!
BLITZER: In the scheme of things, how big of a blunder was it in

terms of foreign policy blunders that American presidents has made?


When I think of the CHEER LEADING he did for this war.
:puke:

I can't STOMACH it!
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