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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:32 AM
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"How bin Laden Ruined America With Bush’s Help" (Miami Herald)
AFTER 9/11Fear destroys what bin Laden could not
ROBERT STEINBACKrsteinback@MiamiHerald.com

One wonders if Osama bin Laden didn't win after all. He ruined the America that existed on 9/11. But he had help.

If, back in 2001, anyone had told me that four years after bin Laden's attack our president would admit that he broke U.S. law against domestic spying and ignored the Constitution -- and then expect the American people to congratulate him for it -- I would have presumed the girders of our very Republic had crumbled.

Had anyone said our president would invade a country and kill 30,000 of its people claiming a threat that never, in fact, existed, then admit he would have invaded even if he had known there was no threat -- and expect America to be pleased by this -- I would have thought our nation's sensibilities and honor had been eviscerated.

If I had been informed that our nation's leaders would embrace torture as a legitimate tool of warfare, hold prisoners for years without charges and operate secret prisons overseas -- and call such procedures necessary for the nation's security -- I would have laughed at the folly of protecting human rights by destroying them.

If someone had predicted the president's staff would out a CIA agent as revenge against a critic, defy a law against domestic propaganda by bankrolling supposedly independent journalists and commentators, and ridicule a 37-year Marie Corps veteran for questioning U.S. military policy -- and that the populace would be more interested in whether Angelina is about to make Brad a daddy -- I would have called the prediction an absurd fantasy.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/13487511.htm
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:35 AM
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1. Is this dynamite coming from Miami? Isn't it pretty red over there? nt
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:20 AM
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12. He must just be vacationing there
I can't believe there's sanity in Florida.
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myomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:55 AM
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15. If it wasn't for the Repug's voting machines, we'd be
a Blue State.
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:11 PM
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19. The last time I looked
South Florida was blue.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:44 PM
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29. Not at all...
outside of the older Cuban community, Miami-Dade and Broward counties are extremely blue.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:38 AM
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2. wow. Finally some sense in the MSM
nice one
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:40 AM
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3. excellent...kicked..eom
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:45 AM
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4. Bush has been doing Osama's work all along.
Could Osama drive our country into bankruptcy? Could Osama tear up the Constitution and force America to accept a new monarchy headed by King George the Stupid? Could Osama allow corporations to poison our air and water? Could Osama cause poverty to go up, wages to go down, and jobs to be lost? Are more Americans lacking health insurance every day because of Osama's actions?

Of course not. These are things only our government can do to us. Osama attacked us once. King George attacks us every day. What more could Osama possibly ask for? He has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:14 PM
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23. errrrr
osama received over 3 billion $ from this admin back in the day

talk about creating a problem to act like the solution

join the dots ... open your eyes
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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:00 PM
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35. Don't forget about Manuel Noriega ...

The Bush's seem to work in a bowling alley. They set up the pins, and than they get applauded for knocking them down.

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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:24 PM
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37. hehe
you know we could go on like this all day ...

but instead ill leave you with a name, michael meiring

see what you can find on google ... then see what you can find from the american press about this guy

the only serious terrorists the world over have been created by the USA in one way or another, either to oust democratically elected leaders in countries that wont roll over, or in order to strip their peoples rights for the protection of the precious flesh

im not afraid ... i hope you arent either

the vikings knew no fear, i think i might be viking :D
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:56 AM
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5. Good article!!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:03 AM
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6. defy common sense, act earnest, look sincere
give the media Knowitalls a hinge to swing on, then pretend that victory is on the horizon; when it's too late, the Knowitalls can say 'but but!' all they want....
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:36 AM
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7. .
K&R for a great piece.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:50 AM
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8. About time the astonishing cowardice displayed by the citizenry
and eagerly promoted and fostered by this illegitimate cabal is pointed out. What about that "land of the free, home of the brave" stuff? I just hope that most of us have been asleep, and perhaps are finally waking up.
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:29 PM
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38. i hope so too bro
a wake up call is whats needed

land of the free? home of the brave?

land of the manacled and home of home of the fat idiot is what it appears to be?

ever think you've been fattened up for the kill bro?

it is down to every single right thinking person to sit down with those less fortunate than themselves and explain whats going on in the world

i've already started with those around me, you should too bro :D

peace
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:12 AM
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9. Expresses my thoughts exactly on the state of this nation under Bush.
I still can't get over how the BushCO/neoconters have turned a beacon of hope into a nation of corruption and barbarianism. We were already loathed for the government-backed corporacrats exploiting peoples and their resources around the world. Now, what hate for us existed has multiplied a hundred-fold, for legitimate reason.

We are the bad guys. ;(
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:05 PM
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50. yep
sorry, but you nailed it

peace

http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:02 AM
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10. Excellent column and I would add
That we also did Osama's bidding by getting rid of the secular Saddam. Osama railed against Saddam as early as 1996. Now, Osama will get the theocracy he wanted...and of course those evil women will be put in their proper place.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:59 AM
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17. Don't forget, getting our bases our of Saudi Arabia
That was a big one.

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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:21 PM
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59. Did you ever wonder....
if maybe Smirk worked a deal with OBL? That's maybe why we let him get away and why there have not been any more attacks on American soil.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:17 AM
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11. yes it has already been done for OBL
he laughs in his cave of luxury somewhere in the mountains because he manipulates the fool we call president into destroying america. What a laugh he must get out of it.
George W Bush is the dumbest president ever. What a moran.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:35 AM
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13. The dumbing down of America
You are not allowed to think anymore. I'm surprised some are just figuring this out. I sent that to my freeper Uncle. I can't wait to see what he says. BTW, K & R.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:37 AM
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14. I love this line....
"It's time for every member of Congress to weigh in: Do they believe the president is above the law, or bound by it?"


OUTSTANDING
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:57 AM
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16. Dayum! If the government takes our freedoms, the terrorists have won.
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:33 PM
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39. your government is the terrorists silly billy
it also financially supported them and did everything in its power to make it as easy as possible for them

if they didn't exist they would have created them

while this might be slightly hard for most to swallow

i suggest you look into "operation northwoods" and "michael meiring" through google in your own time

the truth is, if you think your goverment WONT attack its own citizens in order to pass draconian legislation ... you aren't well enough informed

40 years on they laugh about things like "operation northwoods" ... i dont find it funny

peace
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:03 PM
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18. Brilliant! An eloquent condemnation of all that has happened in Amurka
since * took over.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:26 PM
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20. There's that 30,000 number again
No one knows whether Bush's estimate of 30,000 Iraqi casualties is accurate or way off the mark (probably the latter). Even Bush himself admitted (when asked) that it was based on nothing more than "the general talk," whatever that means. Yet ever since he mentioned it, I've seen it referred to numerous times as if it were fact. I know it's a minor point in this particular column, but it bothers me.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:40 PM
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25. Washington Post Reported in 10/04 - 100,000 Dead Iraqi's
Bush pulls this 30,000 (more or less) and presto - the accomodating press reports another Bush statement as fact, without mentioning reports that show the numbers much higher.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:17 PM
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26. 100,000 dead according to The Lancet, a prestigious British medical
journal. They also claim that an Iraqi citizen is 58 times more likely to die after Bush's invasion that before (though I've also seen that figure as 2.5 times more likely than before)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:36 PM
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41. 100,000+ ... easily .. and rising :o(
but not to worry

these aren't real people, like americans

and at least they dont have to worry about being picked up of the street, dragged off to a torture chamber and never seen again eh? ....

get your troops out, and stay out

a group within a group wants world war 3 right now

they cant do it without accomplices, let your army personnel know they can refuse to follow orders

get a ragtag bundle of them together and storm the whitehouse, quickly, before these monsters get what they want
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:08 PM
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45. My only quibble with an otherwise excellent op-ed piece
He's passing along the grossly underestimated 30K Iraqi dead number that the Bush noise machine is promoting. He should have prefaced it with "at least" at a bare minimum.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:27 PM
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21. wrote to thank mr. steinback for an excellent article

and kicking
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:52 PM
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22. I suggested to a Freeper friend the same thing last week.
...saying, "They try to excuse torture, violate our free speech, perform 'sneak-n-peek' searches and wiretap U.S. citizens without a warrant... at what point to we just declare bin Laden really won?"

Then CNN's Jack Cafferty gave his great "Just Do It" commentary, and now this Op/Ed in the Miami Herald. I'm glad to see other people are starting to come around.

I loved their line: Who would have remembered Patrick Henry had he written, ``What's wrong with giving up a little liberty if it protects me from death?'' Sums it up perfectly.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:27 PM
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24. Only Problem w/ This Column - Using The 30,000
dead Iraqi's number.

Another Bush lie.

The Washington Post reported in 10/04 the estimate was 100,000. Since Bush pulled out of his asshole this 30,000 (more or less) number - The MSM has YET AGAIN served as a stenographer to a chronic liar.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:21 PM
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27. Most "positive" figure was used.
According to the IBC website, they estimate between 27,000 and 31,000 Iraqi civilian deaths.

The number is likely much higher, but IBC uses verified reports to draw their number, and it is no surprise that President Bush would use the "least damaging" figure.

I still find is appalling that anyone could still perceive the GOP as the Party with any sort of "moral highground". I know a nun that voted for Bush on the "abortion issue" and Bush's conspicuous "faith". Abortion is up, poverty is up, the environment is viewed as an obstacle to big business that needs legislation to circumvent, and now we have a President that cavalierly concedes that over 30,000 innocent civilians of another country were murdered in a war they hungrily sought, and even after conceding the intelligence was wrong, says he'd do it again.

THAT'S "the Moral Highground"???
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:24 PM
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28. Can't agree with this
Bin Laden/Terraism is just another bogeyman like Russia was for a good 40 years. Bin Laden didn't destroy us, he just set us back towards McCarthy days. During WWII we had internment camps. We've been here before. More than once. We'll get through it.
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:03 PM
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48. yes
and funnily enough

who where the men behind that administration who purported Russia had vast military capabilities contrary to all findings from their own governments

started an arms race then too ...

the mass murderer henry kissinger said of donald rumsfeld "he is the most ruthless man i have ever met"

bush is their fallguy, dont let them wiggle out of this one
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:03 AM
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55. The BBC's Power of Nightmares
describes how the neo-con gang set up an 'intelligence' unit (can't remember name - Project B???) that used the absence of evidence of a soviet submarine technology as proof of its existence. That is the logic of a good Straussian.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:24 PM
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30. This article proves it is Republicans who are the real cowards.
"I would have expected proud defiance of anyone who would suggest that a mere terrorist threat could send this country into spasms of despair and fright so profound that we'd follow a leader who considers the law a nuisance and perfidy a privilege.

Never would I have expected this nation -- {{{snip}}} -- would cower behind anyone just for promising to ``protect us."

* * * * *

Excellent point to make during any discussion about Bush's actions. Look who's cowering in fear, ready to give up their rights AS AMERICAN CITIZENS. Well surprise, surprise...it ain't the Democrats.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:39 PM
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31. Terrorism, like flees, don't kill the dog. It's the scratching that will .
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 03:43 PM by robbedvoter
I remember that saying - from the terrorist camps being floated right after 911.

As for the Bush/Bin Ladin cooperation, remember this?


> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,5-2001365686,00.html
>
> TUESDAY OCTOBER 23 2001
> Bin Laden family to end ties to Carlyle
> FROM CHRIS AYRES IN NEW YORK
> THE family of Osama bin Laden is close to ending its relationship
> with the Carlyle Group, the US investment group backed by George
> Bush Snr, the former President, and John Major, the former Prime
> Minister.
>
> It is understood that Carlyle Group and the Saudi Binladin Group,
> the Middle Eastern conglomerate owned by the family of bin Laden,
> have decided to part company by “mutual consent”.

Link no longer active, but look at the date!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:15 PM
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36. R. Taber, "The War of the Flea: Guerrilla Warfare in Theory and Practice"
"Analogically, the guerrilla fights the war of the flea, and his military enemy suffers the dog's disadvantages. too much to defend, too small, ubiquitous, and agile an enemy to come to grips with. If the war continues long enough--this is the theory--the dog succumbs to exhaustion and anemia without ever having found anything on which to close its jaws or to rake with its claws."
Robert Taber, The War of the Flea: Guerrilla Warfare in Theory and Practice (New York: Lyle Stuart, Inc., 1965), 27-28.


COUNTERGUERRILLA warfare, or the "war against the flea," is more difficult than operations against enemies who fight according to the conventional paradigm. America's enemies in the Global War on Terrorism, including those connected to "the base" (al-Qaeda), are fighting the war of the flea in Iraq and Afghanistan. Employing terror to attack the United States at home and abroad, they strive to disrupt coalition efforts by using guerrilla tactics and bombings to protract the war in Iraq and elsewhere and to erode America's will to persevere.

The war on al-Qaeda and its surrogates can be viewed as a global counterinsurgency in which the United States and its coalition partners endeavor to isolate and eradicate the base and other networked terrorist groups who seek sanctuary, support, and recruits in ungoverned or poorly governed areas where the humiliated and the have-nots struggle to survive. The U.S. military's preference for the big-war paradigm has heretofore impeded the Army from seriously studying counterinsurgency operations. As a result, the Army has failed to incorporate many lessons from successful counterinsurgency operations. Because countering insurgents and terrorists remains a central mission of the U.S. military for the foreseeable future, it is better to incorporate lessons learned than to relearn lessons during combat.

With the right mindset and with a broader, deeper knowledge of lessons from previous successes, the war against the flea can be won. The Army has successfully fought counterguerrilla wars. However, the contradiction emanating from America's unsuccessful expedition in Vietnam is that, because the experience was perceived as anathema to the U.S. military's core culture, hard lessons learned there about fighting guerrillas were not preserved or rooted in the Army's institutional memory. The U.S. military culture's efforts to exorcise the specter of Vietnam, epitomized by the shibboleth "No More Vietnams," also precluded the Army, as an institution, from actually learning from those lessons.

The Army's intellectual renaissance after Vietnam has focused almost exclusively on the culturally preferred, conventional big-war paradigm. Army doctrine conceals the term "counterinsurgency" under the innocuous categories of stability operations and foreign internal defense. Many lessons exist in the U.S. military's historical experience with small wars, but the lessons from Vietnam are the most voluminous--and the least read. The end of the Cold War has made it improbable that conventional or symmetric war will ever again be the norm, and the Army is making genuine efforts to transform its culture and mindset. Senior civilian and military leaders of the Army and the Office of the Secretary of Defense realized a change in military culture was a precondition for innovative approaches to a more complex security landscape in which adversaries adopt unorthodox strategies and tactics to undermine U.S. technological superiority in an orthodox or conventional war.
<...more...>

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PBZ/is_5_84/ai_n7069235
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:33 PM
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40. Thanks. Now if any of the masterminds of the "War on terra" could
be bothered to read this stuff - or anything for that matter....
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:52 PM
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32. excellent article
thanks for posting.

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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:57 PM
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33. WRONG ... BUSH ruined America ...

It should read:
"How GW Bush ruined America, with Osama Bin Laden's help".

There is NOTHING in GWB's agenda that he did not wish to pursue before 9/11. OBL enabled GW Bush. And GW Bush enabled OBL to carry out the 9/11 attack by totally de-prioritizing counter-terrorism (and apperantly crippling NORAD and the Air National Guard).

Let's keep things straight. OBL is NOT a threat to the United States of America as an entity. OBL will not invade and take over like Hitler did to France. OBL will not infiltrate the US and take us over from within as the communist were supposed to have been attempting. OBL only threatens to kill Americans seemingly at a pace of a couple hundred a year once you average it all out.

This is why it is so hard to sell our message. A couple hundred of dead Americans a year IS a big deal. Yet it does NOT threaten our national sovereignty. Tens of thousands of Americans die each year from traffic accidents. OBL doesn't even come to the level of common recklessness by every day Americans. Heck, gun violence claims the lives of more Americans every year than OBL. That's right AMERICANS KILL FAR MORE AMERICANS in a year than OBL could hope to in his entire life.

Their will always be an OBL out there. And the goal for the DEFENSE against terrorism is to simply reduce the phenomenon to a nuisance (just like Kerry said). You can't kill EVERY terrorist any more than you can jail EVERY drug dealer. You just end up making more.

What Osama could not do by force, Bush is accomplishing by evil. That is, he is eroding our civil rights. He is taking away our freedom. OBL could NEVER, EVER have accomplished this in a THOUSAND YEARS!!! Bush has accomplished it quite handily.

Bush is and will remain a bigger threat the United States Constitution than Osama Bin Laden will EVER be!!!!!

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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:57 PM
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34. Bush is not the scary thing here. It's the American public that is scary!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:04 PM
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49. bushbat outta Hell is
scary and almost 1/2 of the AMerican public is just as scary.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:50 PM
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42. I'm more convinced than ever it is the News Media to blame.
For every beautiful point Steinback made, my mind immediately shot to thinking it was because Angelina and Brad's antics are all that the media deems important. the TV news is dead... TV infotainment lives.
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TripleD Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:30 PM
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43. This reminds me of something Clinton said:
No one really thinks these terrorists are going to win a military victory over us, even if God forbid we see another terrible incident or two in our country. The only way that we can be vanquished is if we respond to this in a way that compromises the future of our children and the character of our nation

– Bill Clinton 1-22-03
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:31 PM
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44. Great article! It really gets to my increasing revulsion
over this administration's endless fearmongering (amplified nonstop by the media). We all need to ask ourselves, why this four-year-long campaign to make Americans AFRAID? Ask yourself why anyone would even WANT to do that, and the answer becomes obvious. They want to make us afraid so they can steal our rights and our values in broad daylight, and so far the strategy has worked brilliantly.

Maybe people are FINALLY starting to come out of their fear-induced trance, though. I would like to think so.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:42 PM
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46. I Agree With the Article
Bush has given bin Laden exactly what he wants, which is why I cannot understand why people think Bush is so great. I don't think he is the right person to fight terrorism. None of the neocons are. And I am not necessarily saying that only Democrats would be right for it, either. I would accept anyone who was qualified from any party as long as they didn't take advantage of the situation like Bush & the others have. It has been nothing but a power grab for them. I would want the President to get the terrorists without becoming a dictator, & I would want them to work with our allies, not antagonize them. We need our allies for this battle. We have certainly proved that we can't do it alone. Bush has done nothing but screw up.

Tammy
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:00 PM
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47. Someone Gets IT and writes IT
in a M$M newspaper! Thank you, Robert Steinback!

And thanks for the email addy, kpete!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:18 PM
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51. Ultimately.....
"Ultimately, our best defense against attack -- any attack, of any sort -- is holding fast and fearlessly to the ideals upon which this nation was built. Bush clearly doesn't understand or respect that. Do we?"

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:32 PM
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52. Nope not ruined just screwed up. We can fix it in time. IMPEACH HIM!
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:58 AM
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53. WOW!!
"Are we agreeing, then, to give the king unfettered privilege to defy the law forever? It's time for every member of Congress to weigh in: Do they believe the president is above the law, or bound by it?"

what a great article, simply spoken, but very powerful. it's just sad that whenever we see something like this in the MSM, we have to all get so excited over it because the instances are so few and far between. nonetheless, it is truth to power. great post.:thumbsup:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:32 AM
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54. Wow that's great
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:05 AM
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56. How long until the 9/11 attacks are exposed as another Bush plan?
They worked better than anything else could have. Exactly as planned. And bin Laden - an old CIA link - is STILL at large. How long until people realize that if bin Laden and Al Quaida were REALLY a source of danger to the Bush Administration's plans, they would have been captured/killed long ago. How long before the insane conglomeration of claimed coiincidences and outright lies that is the official 9/11 story FINALLY arouses more public suspicion?

It's very nearly too late now.

But this is good, seeing this truth-talking article. Thanks.
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PapaJoe Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:44 PM
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57. Osama bin Bush
The whole situation in a nutshell. Can you imagine a chess game between Bush and Bin Laden? Oh well, how about checkers?
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 07:17 PM
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58. MSM
MSM evidently recovering from persistent vegetative state. Good article!:kick:
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