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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:11 PM
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Cheney's Defiant Posture Is Understandable: He Is the Likely Target - By John Dean
Are Congressional Wars Coming? Since Cheney Has Already Said He'll Ignore the Democratic Congress, It Seems Likely
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Dec. 01, 2006

This is the first of a two-part series by the author on Congressional oversight of the Bush Administration by the newly-elected Democratic Congress. - Ed.

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Cheney's Defiant Posture Is Understandable: He Is the Likely Target Of Congressional Oversight

No wonder Dick Cheney worked so hard to prevent the Democrats from winning control of Congress, and is working so hard to push ahead now as if they never had. The DSCC-DCCC report shows that the Democratic Congress has good reason to be interested in Cheney, for he is at the center of the highly controversial activities that the Republican Congress conspicuously ignored.

For example, the report notes the following damning facts: The Republicans refused to investigate the mishandling of the intelligence leading to the war in Iraq. The GOP Congress ignored the fact that Cheney's office was involved in securing a $7 billion no-bid contract for Halliburton, which Cheney headed before becoming VP. The Republicans ignored Cheney's refusal to provide information about his energy task force, which developed policy for the Administration in secret while working with energy company executives. The Republicans refused to investigate the White House's outing of a covert CIA agent (Valerie Plame Wilson) in order to attack her husband, a critic of the Administration. And last, but very much not least, the Republican Congress has ignored the abuses (and torture) of detainees.

In short, Cheney is a key witness with respect to all these questionable - if not illegal -- activities.


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President Bush is publicly claiming that he is ready to act in a bipartisan manner with respect to the new Democratic Congress, as if he has heard the message voters sent. But his olive branch to the Democratic Congressional Leadership strikes me as more like a fly-swatter, which he is waving about, hoping to keep them at bay as long as possible. I say that because, as of now, Cheney is busy passing the word to the troops that it will be full speed ahead, as if nothing happened in November. In the distance, I can already hear the Republican attack dogs howling, getting ready for the coming Congressional war.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061201.htmlmore at:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:14 PM
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1. I think John Dean is one of those great examples of an Act II in public life. nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:42 PM
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6. I do, too.
He is a good man.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:47 PM
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7. Cheney is also an example of an Act II in American politics, and is
practically Dean's shadow image!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:48 PM
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8. He may be
Nixon's 5 oclock shadow.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:53 PM
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11. LOL.
And, let us not talk falsely now, because the hour is getting late.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:29 PM
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43. Um, ah, IIRC
said the Joker to the thief
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:21 PM
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13. Cheney is the epitome of the "dark side of the force."
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 10:21 PM by TahitiNut
Along with James Baker, III, and Donald Rumsfeld, I regard him as wholly evil and 100% inimical to the interests of decent working people.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:27 PM
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19. I hope they all live a long life as we WILL have justice and they
WILL be exposed. I'd rather they live through it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:38 AM
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25. ... a long life ... in prison.
There is NO JUSTICE unless and until these war criminals are imprisoned.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:32 PM
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44. I agree, except for the fact that Dean's still a Goldwater republican.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 01:33 PM by bobbolink
All this has gone down, and he's still a republican.

That little fact bothers me.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:00 PM
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48. He may call himself a Republican...
But I can pretty much guarantee he did not vote Republican in the last couple of elections.

He is a truly moderate Republican, one of the very few. And considering just how extreme the rest of the party is a moderate Republican is much closer to todays Democrats, and if they are truly moderate they will vote Democratic.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:52 PM
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53. I guess you know much more than I do. I have NO IDEA how he voted.
Supposedly, we have secret ballots.

As I keep saying, HE calls HIMSELF a Goldwater Republican.

If you like Republicans, that's fine.

Being in poverty, I don't.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:45 PM
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57. John Dean has went after Republicans more than most Democrats have
He was among the very first big names to call for Bush's impeachment. I don't like Republicans, but John Dean is not just any Republican. He is a powerful ally for us, and he does not work on economic issues so he does not pose any threat to your pocketbook. And considering the last Presidential election took place after he called for Bush's impeachment, I think it is safe to say he did not vote for Bush even though it is a secret ballot.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:45 PM
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67. It is essential to have (at least) a two-party system
to keep the checks and balances in check.
Give me Republicans like Dean anyday.
I can live with someone who doesn't agree with me 100% but is willing to stand up and say something is wrong when it is.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:24 PM
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2. John Dean...
is a Republican. I won't use any of the Repug, Reprehensible, etc. things to refer to him. He's the real deal. A true conservative, not a neocon, not a religious nut. But don't you ever forget: he IS a Republican. He is NOT our buddy. He is an honorable enemy. He is and always was (as far as I can recall) an honorable US citizen. I respect him. I even like him, and would probably get along with him just fine, whereas I listen to and look at Bush, or Cheney, and I know damn well, if I worked for them, my resume would be on the street, and if I worked with them, I'd be handing in complaints daily; like Webb, my basic reaction to the chimp is frustration, and the desire to punch him in the mouth, because he's a smartass fratboi, whereas with Cheney, my reaction would be to watch my back continuously, because he's a backstabbing snake. I probably would refuse to shake hands with either of them, and I would never do that to John Dean; I would shake his hand without a moment's hesitation. But I don't ever make the mistake of forgetting that John Dean is NOT my buddy, and you shouldn't either.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:31 PM
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3. Speak for yourself.
He's my buddy. And he is most definitely NOT my enemy.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:50 PM
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10. I never claimed to speak for anyone else. n/t
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:49 AM
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33. Tell John Dean to use proper grammar, then.
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 02:58 AM by w4rma
It is *not* "Democrat approach", it is 'Democratic approach'.

Anyway, that was a great column, despite his faux pas. I look forward to the next one as it is supposed to be on the subject I am currently most interested in.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:36 PM
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4. I think Dean calls himself an independent these days.
--IMM
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:39 PM
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5. That is what I've heard. Plus, he said he voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry.
I call him friend.
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:49 PM
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9. It is possible to be friends with your enemies.
As long as you don't forget what's really going on. On either front.

I heard him state during an interview with KO that he is still a conservative, and still a Republican. In as many words, IIRC.

And I'll say it again: he has earned my respect. And I would not spurn him, or dis him. But I also remember. And remain cautious.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:57 PM
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23. People don't have to agree with me to be my friends.
But they do have to have integerity, and be worthy of trust. I think John Dean qualifies overall.

--IMM
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Gwerlain Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:34 AM
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34. I think we're thinkin the same way.
You might hate your enemies more than I do. I don't necessarily hate my enemies- only the ones that are assholes. Which Dean is not. ;)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:03 PM
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40. I'm having trouble with the term enemy.
That's someone who seeks to do harm. I don't even think of Dean as an adversary.

--IMM
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:40 PM
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46. He calls himself a Goldwater republican.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:03 PM
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49. An anomalous designation.
I was a Goldwater Republican. It was a kind of libertarianism to me, meaning: nobody should tell me what to do. It was a philosophy that fell of its own weight when faced with the inequalities built into the system. That made me a libertarian socialist. I can still identify in some sense with Goldwater, as I think Dean does. There is a commitment to things like truth and justice, which would put Goldwater out of step with contemporary Republicans. Libertarianism (small l) does not equate to selfishness.

Funny, I was living in Arizona when Goldwater died. Local "conservatives" called him a liberal.

--IMM
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:50 PM
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52. As I said, HE calls HIMSELF a Goldwater Republican.
Take it up with him.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 03:45 AM
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63. Wasn't Hillary Clinton a Goldwater Republican at one time?
Some people think she still is, although it's been a long time since she's called herself one.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:39 PM
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45. You said it better than I did, and no, you didn't speak for anyone else.
Too bad there are so many who feel the impossible to repress urge to snark when someone says something they either disagree with, or is new to them and scary.

Unfortunately, we've trusted too much, and MUST remember that people like Dean still see things quite differently.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 09:40 PM
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60. While I understand your point, I believe that Dean disowned the GOP
a while ago - and views himself as an independent. In his most recent book he does certainly assert that he views himself as a "Goldwater Republican" - but also then suggests that the GOP today doesn't really represent "Goldwater Republicans". I highly recommend to everyone his most recent books. I believe he has stated that he no longer affiliates with the GOP. However, I would agree that this does not mean that he suddenly, instead is a "friend" or supporter of the Democratic party, nor of progressives in general. However, I would say that his writing - which is sort of a legalistic/libertarian view - pushes him farther towards the contemporary Dem party than to the repubs (were he to lean one way or the other as a self-declared Independent.)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:17 PM
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12. About "ending partisanship."
I firmly agree that the voters (at least the ones paying attention) are all for an end to the excessive partisanship that has corrupted virtually every consideration inside the beltway, from lobbying to legislation and from political appointments to policy stances. By "partisanship," however, we mean placing the "good of the party" above the good of the nation and welfare of the people. I do not believe "ending partisanship" means more "bipartisanship" nor do I believe that placing impeachment "off the table" (due to some fear of harm to a party) is consistent with this goal. While one could argue very successfully that the GOP has taken partisanship to levels never before seen in DC, it does not mean that the Democrats have been either low-key or squeaky clean when the traditional 'base' and historical platform planks have been abandoned in order to gain support of those whose interests are inimical to the welfare of the People, labor in particular. The notion that economic equity and fair labor practices can be privateered (under "welfare reform" and "faith-based" economic safety nets) and entrusted to a deregulated global corporate hegemony ("globalization") is ethically and morally bankrupt, imho.

Do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:29 PM
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14. Does anybody happen to know...
Dean's email address?
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:37 PM
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15. There might not be time to impeach
There might not be the votes in the Senate to convict. But, there is plenty of time to investigate the sleazy policies of this administration and air them in the public forum.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:52 PM
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16. Well, I've been reading John Dean throughout this Bush Junta crisis, and
I would vote for him for president over a number of sleezebags in our party. Why? Because he understands the Constitution. Really understands it. Has it down. And that is the problem right now--Bushites and MANY Democrats NOT understanding the Constitution, and failing to uphold their oath of office to defend it. And that, to me, is a hell of a lot more important than a raise in the minimum wage, much as I would like to see it. The FUNDAMENTAL "balance of power" in our government has been gravely violated. Fascism and even Nazism could be the consequence. And it's arguable that we are already there, in some important respects. The Congress of the United States has voted to SUSPEND the right of habeas corpus--one of the chief grievances that led to the American Revolution--and did so out of DEFERENCE to our president-emperor. Does the Democratic partisan upthread, who considers John Dean an "enemy," realize how catastrophic that is? Everything pales in importance to restoring the rule of law in our government.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:44 PM
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20. He understand the Constitution ..and . honors it - by working for it.
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 11:45 PM by higher class
I thank him for educating us. He speaks plainly. And with some humor when appropriate.

He gives of his time to appear and explain. Now that I think of it - I have something to thank NBC for - his appearances.

I appreciate any Republican who speaks out for the Constitution as it is now - Bob Barr even or Bruce what's his name.

Contrast the handful who honor our Constitusion with all those Federalist Society lawyers who are trying to change it - for Cheney and friends - andtheir 'Chrisitan' contingent.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:48 PM
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21. Well said! Those who don't understand or care about the Constitution
have been busily tearing it apart in their lust for power and greed.

Good on John Dean...a man who redeemed himself from the jaws of corruption.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:05 PM
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50. I agree, he is probably the only Republican I would vote for
Of course he will never run for office, but if he did I think he would make a great leader.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:10 PM
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17. I think Cheney might "resign for health reasons"
not because he wants to, but because Daddy and friends are trying to save the pResident. I recently read an article in Vanity Fair by Tom Wolff, I think, that said the same thing, except he said something like "who is there to fire Cheney, but Cheney?". His speculation was that cheney might do it and McCain would be appointed VP.

I don't see Cheney staying on myself - we've got Halliburton, we've got Libby's trial upcoming, and things are going to start coming out about him IMO. Ignoring subpoenas isn't a real positive thing to do, either. He's evil, his approval rating couldn't be lower, and I think they have a lot to lose if he remains VP, including any chance at winning in '08, if they even have one. I think at this point, Darth is expendable, although it might just be wishful thinking on my part.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:19 AM
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24. Just curious, but ...
... if you can recall, did Tom Wolff apologize in that essay for endorsing Bush (voting for him and suggesting to others that they should too)? Just wondering if he had a change of heart, and wondering if he was honorable enough to admit that he had been dead wrong.

:shrug:

-Laelth
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:05 AM
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39. I'm sorry - it was Michael Wolff - here's a link:
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 03:06 AM
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61. would McCain cover up their evil deeds?
His speculation was that cheney might do it and McCain would be appointed VP.

Should investigations happen on a timely basis (you know they will stonewall this to death), this is what will happen if Nancy Pelosi gets too close to the presidency.

And while I personally think this is what will unfold, one problem I have with it is why would bush do anything for his party? He isn't really a republican--he's a corporatist thief in there just to grab all he can for himself and his chronies while he can. Any office that is handed over will be to someone within the cabal, who will protect (and destroy any records) of their evil deeds over the past six years.




Cher


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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 05:28 PM
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66. I would expect nothing less from McCain
than to cover up their evil deeds - any integrity he ever had is long gone, and I believe he prays to the same God they do - and it's not any God I'm familiar with.

I think bush would do it because essentially, he would have no choice - he's desperate to save his presidency, and it will probably be presented to him as a way to help do that. I also don't believe bush is all that powerful anymore - they don't even bother with him enough to "handle" him anymore. He wouldn't do it for his party, he'd do it for himself, thinking it would help HIM.

I don't know, they can stonewall, but there are so many leaks, that I really think powerful people want these guys stopped. Possibly the CIA, possibly real republicans, and really, any sane person who's in a position to see what he's done to the country, and do something about it. I think we'll be seeing leak after leak, and it will be an interesting time.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:25 PM
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18. If people are saying that Cheney is going full speed agead as if
nothing happened in November, does it mean that he has a plan to not let the Dems take over the Committees and everything else seniority brings or.. or..?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:54 PM
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22. He plans to attack Iran single-handed
the doddery old fool, he's getting too senile for anything these days
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:18 AM
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26. This last bit from Dean's article worries me more than a little.............
>>>>>>Rumblings on Capitol Hill suggest that Republicans may literally be "out of control" as the minority party. Many Republicans in Congress are upset that they will lose their perks, and they want to punish the Democrats for winning. In addition, the White House believes its conservative base wants it to make life difficult for the Democrat Congress, so they will assist in doing just that.

The word on K Street is also that making life difficult for Congressional Democrats will help Republicans win the White House and Congress in 2008. As one well-connected Republican attorney in Washington told me: "We see a war coming on Capitol Hill." In fact, many Congressional Republicans believe they are better at being opponents than proponents, so they look forward to raising hell.<<<<

I can, all too easily, imagine our Dems getting bowled over by the sheer fierceness that may come.
It won't work to simply play the nice, bi-partisan, sensible-shoes type against such hell-bent, cult-fueled lunacy. Just might have to denounce a few things and indict some others.

Do our official D.C. Dems have it in them?

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:33 AM
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27. If the Dems have not yet learned how vicious and amoral the Republican
is when it comes to playing politics and serving their corporate masters, then they will prove themselves to be worthless posers. Not sure what we (we, the people) will have as options, but they will have proven themselves useless.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:26 AM
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30. Don't know what the option would be either........
:hide:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:31 PM
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42. I believe every word of that. The Dems better get their armor on..
We're in for a Hell of a fight.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:47 PM
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47. I think they've shown they *don't* "have it in them"
:(
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:12 PM
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51. Fight back hard, but act nice in the process
Seriously I say the Republicans should bring it on, show America their true colors. We have the majority and we can investigate their people and expose their corruption. When they attack we need to respond, but respond in a reasonable rational way so that the American public can see who the truly vicious people are.

And please understand when I suggest that Democrats should act nice, I am NOT suggesting that they should not attack. I think they should attack hard, but do it in a way that will not turn off the American people. That means investigations, and it means calling for apologies, and it means coming back at the Republicans attacks in a way that benefits the American people and makes the Republicans look like a bunch of whiners. That is how we can win even more seats in 2008.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:39 PM
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64. Thank you!
{A fellow Minnesowdan steps in to reassure me.)

Of course! Subpoena power and investigations trump any kind of hissy-fit the minority wants to throw. And the Dems can be as polite and uninspiring as usual on TV (if they insist on being that way) just so long as they serve the subpoenas. The Republican crimes have barely even begun to be revealed.

I guess I am still kinda stuck in minority-status mode.

Thanks again. :beer:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:37 AM
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28. seems to me the thruth has set John Dean free
welcome back to where you were supposed to be heading Mr Dean.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:00 AM
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29. K&R
:kick:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:30 AM
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31. I would love to see Cheney rot in jail.
Then he couldn't enjoy all of that money he stole from the Treasury.

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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:56 PM
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58. and if it happens before Nov. 2008...
He'll guarantee us a Democratic victory!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 03:11 AM
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62. He'll pull a Ken Lay



Cher
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:45 AM
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32. k&r nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:03 AM
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35. morning kick
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:11 AM
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36. John Dean has an impressive ability to get to the heart of the matter
regarding the Bush Junta's egregious abuse of power. Bush/Cheney asserting the powers of an emperor and the treason of the Bush "pod people" in Congress (and of some Democrats as well) in failing to check their abuses of power is the fundamental problem in the U.S. government, from which all other problems derive.

Of course Dean began his career at the heart of a previous regime that gravely abused presidential power--the Nixon regime--and is perhaps the most famous whistleblower in U.S. history, so he should know. But I have been amazed at his ability to learn the lessons of that experience, and his incisiveness at applying it to the current regime, which has taken abuse of power to new and unprecedented and extremely dangerous lengths.

The one thing missing from Dean's analysis is recognition of the fundamental part played by stolen elections in consequent abuse of power, in the case of the Bush Junta. Although Nixon was famous for his "dirty tricks" campaigning, I have little doubt that he was, in fact, elected in 1968, that is, got the most votes. The "dirty tricks" behind the scenes were the key factor in that election, and of that, we cannot know of Nixon's responsibility. I am speaking of the assassinations of JFK--which placed warmonger LBJ in office--and then of RFK--which prevented an antiwar candidate, who surely would have won the 1968 election, from making it to the White House. 1968 was also the year of MLK's assassination (three months before Bobby). The carnage in Vietnam had reached genocidal proportions. The US casualties were also extremely high, and the country--and the Democratic Party--was being torn asunder. The Democratic Convention of 1968 turned into a police riot, as tens of thousands of antiwar protesters besieged the convention, demanding an end to the war. Many voters no doubt fell for Nixon's "peace with honor" line out of sheer exhaustion.

Nixon made the same mistake that the Bush Junta made--construing a close vote as a mandate not only to continue that heinous war, but also for fascist policy in suppression of dissent, for instance, their burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist office (to find dirt on that other famous whistleblower). But the Bush Junta has gone way, way, way beyond the Nixon regime in abuse of power. And it also has seemed to lack ANY person of conscience--such as John Dean--within its ranks, to cry foul on administration crime. Contrast Bush Cartel toady, Alberto Gonzales, writing legal memos to justify torture, and calling the Geneva Conventions "quaint," with Dean's warning to Nixon that there was "a cancer on the presidency" growing out of the felonies committed by the Watergate burglars on behalf of the Nixon re-election committee. Dean was so appalled by these crimes--and probably, also, so worried about his own liability--that he turned whistleblower. His commitment was to the CONSTITUTION, not to Nixon. Imagine.

Anyway, what strikes me about Cheney's statement that he will defy Congressional subpoenas is that he has an 18% approval rating. And what strikes me about Bush/Bush Cartel "stay the course" in Iraq is that Bush has a 30% approval rating, and has rarely had better than 40% for the last two years, since his purported re-election. Frankly, I think that may be how much he really lost the 2004 election by--or close to it. His approval dipped to 49% on the day of his 2nd term inauguration (unprecedented!) and has sunk like the Titanic ever since. How was this a "mandate" for more carnage in Iraq, for more tax cuts for the rich, for torture, for pervasive domestic spying, and all the other fascist crap we've seen over the last two years?

It was not only NOT a mandate, Bush/Cheney, in fact, lost, big time, in 2004--but had arranged for the MANUFACTURE of a win, by the fasttrack conversion of our election system to electronic voting, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, with a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle, engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (abetted by corporatist 'Democrat' Christopher Dodd). There is only one reason to have NON-TRANSPARENT vote counting, controlled by your rightwing buds and major contributors, and that is to fix the elections. And that's what they did. And the desire of the American people to throw them out of office was so great in 2004 that they had to ADD Ohio--blatant, egregious vote suppression, in open violation of the Voting Rights Act--in order to flip a Kerry landslide (by 5% to 10%) into a Bush squeaker (by 2.5%).

Illegitimately gained power tends to corrupt, and absolute illegitimacy corrupts absolutely. Bush/Cheney is absolutely illegitimate. They have no right to be where they are, and to be doing what they are doing. They are tyrants.

No one who WAS elected--and who therefore has to have some respect for our democratic system and the will of the people--could behave as they do. Even Nixon--even Nixon!--was worried about public opinion, and so were those who impeached him. The "system" was still in working order. Not so now. They are all (s)elected by Diebold and ES&S now, even the Democrats (--and even those who would have been elected anyway are now beholden to these two rightwing corporations for their power--they are ONE LINE OF CODE away from being dis-elected, undetectably).

To me, this is the other great issue--non-transparent elections--that goes to the heart of our democracy. Why should those who gained power illegitimately have any respect for the Constitution?

Dean accepts the two Bush elections too easily. He doesn't question them at all. It is, arguably, the second of them that has led to the worst abuses of power. (In Bush/Cheney's first term, it was really 9/11 that led to their worst abuses of power. Prior to 9/11, they were very limited by public opinion and by Congress. Their first tax cut for the rich, for instance (May 1, 2001) won by only a hair, with several traitor Democrats like Gary Condit voting for it (--the disreputable "blue dog" Democrats).)

But the same is true of Paul Krugman--an equally eloquent critic of the Bush Junta, from the left. I will never forget Krugman going on vacation after Nov. 2, 2004, while the grass roots Democrats were tearing our hair out, trying to analyze the results of a NON-TRANSPARENT voting system and trying to chronicle the Ohio abuses. The Terry McAuliffe Democratic Party placed an "Iron Curtain" over the subject of election fraud, and Krugman seemed to be taking orders from them (like a lot of others--Al Franken, for instance, and DKos). So it isn't just Dean who was myopic on this matter.

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In this context--Dean's incisive understanding of the Constitutional "balance of power" issue, but his myopia about our gravely compromised election system--he makes some points about what the American people were voting for, in the 2006 midterms. He says that it was not so much an endorsement of the Democrats as revulsion at the Bushite Republicans.


"I believe Democrats have read that message correctly. Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi told reporters that Americans wanted a 'new direction,' which includes a return to 'bipartisan civility.' For that reason, Democrats say that, when they take charge of the new 110th Congress in January, they plan to end the excessive partisanship, with its accompanying paralysis, that has characterized Republican rule.

"But ending partisanship, clearly, was not the only message voters sought to send on November 7. Many Democrats ran, and won, on the claim that the Bush Administration was operating unchecked by Congress; that Congressional Republicans refused to exercise oversight of the administration." --Dean


At one point in this discussion, Dean chronicles what the rightwing did with the Kenneth Starr Inquisition, against Clinton--an egregious abuse of power of the special prosecutor law. He warns that the Bushites intend similar abuses against the Democratic Congress--non-stop hysteria about every tiny fault they may have.

And, thinking about all that, I began wondering about Pelosi's promise of a return to "bipartisan civility." I'm not sure what Dean is basing his presumption on, that voters wanted "bipartisan civility." I'm not sure that's true. I think they wanted ACCOUNTABILITY, a quite different thing. And how do you get accountability out of tyrants with "bipartisan civility"?

Consider what occurred in the Mexican legislature yesterday.* How do you deal with corrupt liars and election thieves? Politeness may be a kind of lie, in and of itself. If achieving accountability from Bush/Cheney means getting a bit rough, I'm not at all convinced that the American people would disapprove. In fact, I'm fairly certain that they would APPROVE of Democrats barring the doors this January, when Bush tries to enter to tell us of the "state of the union." (Note: He has no inherent right to enter Congress. He has to be invited in, by this guard guy, who knocks on the door and seeks permission for the President to enter. So, what if this guard guy won't knock on the door--or, what if the Speaker, or whoever has to grant permission, says, "No. Unh-uh. We don't want to hear it. Go away."?)

Giving these fascists a polite forum just encourages them. They DON'T RESPOND to civility. They are uncivilized--mass murderers, torturers, war criminals, liars, and master thieves. They DON'T BELIEVE in the rule of law. They DON'T BELIEVE in fairness. They believe that "might makes right," and that they are the Lords of the Earth.

If you give them an inch, they take a hundred miles. If you let Bush into Congress to describe the "state of the union" that he and his junta have so viciously tried to destroy, then you can damned well expect Cheney to continue saying, "Fuck you!" to any Congressional subpoenas. And then where are you?

Also, the MAIN message of the voters was STOP THE WAR. That was their no. 1 issue! And the American people have been trying to get this across from way back before the invasion, when FIFTY-SIX PERCENT of the American people opposed the Iraq War (Feb. '03). Now it's SEVENTY-PERCENT!

The will of the American people has been egregiously frustrated, ignored and violated. It is not a time for "bipartisan civility." It is a time for crushing the Bushites completely, so that they never rise again. This Kenneth Starr-like disruption that the Bush Junta intends (according to Dean) needs to be smashed. We need to NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN in our government. It's not "bipartisan civility" that we need. It's a return to the RULE OF LAW. And this is not likely doable with politeness.

I suppose we should be grateful for any kind of reasonable focus, by Congress, on the loss of basic pieces of the Constitution under the Bush Junta, given the very murky conditions in Washington DC, including (among other things) a highly compromised Democratic Party (compromised by Diebold and ES&S, compromised by filthy corporate lobbying, compromised by the "military-industrial" complex). There is quite a lot of evidence that the new Congress, even with the big Democratic win in the mid-term elections, STILL is not very representative of the American people, and, indeed, that the new Congress may have been carefully crafted to give the impression of a win by the people, while containing significant elements that will block efforts to stop the war, and block efforts at accountability and reform. (For instance, the new Congress still includes the type of Democrats who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus just prior to the election--Bushite Democrats--as well as the Lieberman pro-war blockade in the Senate, of which only one third was up for reelection this time.) Also, so much money and power are at stake in the U.S. government--and there are so many secret things going on (both good and bad, I think)--and we have such an unreliable, lying, rightwing propagandistic press corps--that we, the people, have no clear view of what is happening in our government, and, consequently, are sometimes baffled about where to put public pressure, and about what. (Is impeachment so unrealistic--given the power of this illegitimate, fascist junta--that we should forget it, and worry more about the election reform bill? Is it possible to restore the "balance of powers" on the war issue, for instance, with Lieberman as the pivotal vote in the Senate? Should we resign ourselves to two more years of war--at least--and concentrate on accountability for the war budget, and/or eliminating torture, etc.?).

Many of us just want to stand on principle. Stop the war NOW. Put these criminals on trial for treason NOW, and be done with them. But we also have to think strategically, and realistically--in murky conditions. For instance, was the torture/suspension of habeas corpus vote some sort of compromise or deal--to give Bush retroactive immunity for these crimes, in exchange for Bush/Cheney backing down on invading Iran, or to head off their declaring martial law? This is the kind of murkiness I mean. It's very hard to know what's really going on. Of course we should stand on principle--to express the public will. But we should also be aware that the Democrats have to IMPLEMENT it, and they are hamstrung in many ways. For instance, it's doubtful they have the votes for impeachment, in the Senate--at least for now. That might change as people like Waxman and Conyers build the case. But it would be foolish for Pelosi to say "we are going to impeach," or "we are considering impeachment," with insufficient power to implement it, and before the case is laid out, legally, in the House. Doesn't mean we can't keep telling her to do it. But we need to know why she can't, or won't. Another for instance: many key Democrats were and still are pro-war. They simply will not take strong action against the war. How do we work with this circumstance, to end the war?

Personally, I think there is only one issue: Election reform. Until we have transparent vote counting again, we will not be adequately represented. Even this Democratic Congress is a distortion--created by "trade secret" vote counting software, and great bags of corporate money. I am passionately against the Iraq War, and torture. These things tear at my soul. But I have devoted all my personal activist time and energy to analyzing how the election fraud is done, and on election reform. With honest elections, we would not have the Iraq War or torture. (SIXTY-THREE PERCENT of the American people oppose torture "under any circumstances"--May '04!). Second on my list is loss of the "balance of power" between the President and the Congress. But that, too, is a direct result of election fraud, in my opinion. Diebold/ES&S did not just (s)elect Bush/Cheney. They also (s)elected the Bush "pod people" in Congress, who turned Congress into a lapdog for the Bush Junta.

And on election reform, we also have this problem of a compromised Democratic Party--which takes the position that rightwing corporations "counting" all our votes with "trade secret" programming code is okay, as long as there is a "paper trail." (--mostly the result of the corruption wrought by the $3.9 billion appropriated for Bush's electronic voting buds at Diebold/ES&S; our party's solution to this is to REWARD Diebold/ES&S for their election crimes, by giving them MORE contracts--for printers, for replacing the touchscreens, for upgrades, etc.). Do we stand on principle, and insist on the MOST reliable system--handcounted paper ballots--or support HR 550 as the best we can do, under the circumstances?

Hell, I don't know.

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*(Some great photos of the fistfights and pile up of bodies in the Mexican legislature yesterday, as the PRD representatives tried to stop Calderon's inauguration. I greatly admire their refusal to be silent, and sit back quietly and politely, as fascists take over their government. Scroll almost to the end, for full photo display: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2840483 )


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:17 AM
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37. Energy task force
all else flows from there. The sick bastard needs to be held to account and hung in the public square.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:19 AM
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38. The Cover-up Congress was/is complicit in these CRIMES nt
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 12:46 PM
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65. Accurate and succinct comment that must never be forgotten! ...n/t
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:22 PM
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41. Good. I hope they keep him extremely busy for the next 2 years.
Keep him from wreaking more havoc.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:59 PM
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54. kick
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:36 PM
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55. I feel sorry for our soldiers,...."full speed ahead"
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thingfisher Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:42 PM
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56. Cheney is definitely
a prime target. He has been a cancer on the body politic for decades!
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:19 PM
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59. "No stopping us now, it's high ground by nightfall!!!"
"Get your shirt on, soldier, it's a war on, not a god-damn bathin' beach!"

"Whattaya aiming at, son? Let's get them little brown buggers!"

"Now you all listen to me. We are taking that hill and we are going full frontal assault. I want every man at the front of the line, do you hear me? Every man! I know you're a lawyer, Colonel, don't try any of that courthouse lawyer shit with me! We're doing thing my way, you copy, MY way! Over and out."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 07:14 PM
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68. "conspicuously ignored"-- now there's an oxymoran for ya
"The DSCC-DCCC report shows that the Democratic Congress has good reason to be interested in Cheney, for he is at the center of the highly controversial activities that the Republican Congress conspicuously ignored."


(anyone think we need a Kpete Forum?) :yourock:
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