Pakistani kills 4 of his daughters to salvage the family's honor

http://www.caycompass.com/cgi-bin/CFPnews.cgi?ID=1009899

religious fundamentalism and misogyny are sooooo cool.

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MULTAN, Pakistan (AP) – Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25–year old stepsister to salvage his family’s "honor" – a crime that shocked Pakistan.

The 40–year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to jail, confessed to just one regret – that he didn’t murder the stepsister’s alleged lover too.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.

The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most are settled with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims’ families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.

families..."

How does that work, when the perpetrator is both the relative and the victim's family?

The woman's uncle pays a fine to his brother? The victim's brother pays a fine to his father?

That would keep the money in the family and therefore be no punishment at all. The only case I can think of that would take money from the family would be a husband paying his in-laws for murdering his wife.

Bizarre.

I don't have a cite because I read this story in an English language paper in Istanbul. The article discussed problems Germany is having in integrating the large Muslim workforce who emigrated to Germany. The Muslim families live in self-segregated enclaves in some suburbs. Now that unemployment is up, extremist Muslim religious leaders are successfully firing up the men, particularly the younger men to become ultra devout. The young Muslim women, on the other hand, who have grown up in Germany, want to go to school, dress Western, and are refusing to marry as ordered, particularly when marriage involves returning to Turkey. In the featured crime, three brothers conspired to murder their sister. She had been packed off to Turkey to marry a much older man who repeatedly beat and raped her. She had a baby and returned to her family in Germany. She was just about to graduate with a technical degree and would have had complete financial and social independence from her father and brothers. The oldest brother called her to arrange to meet her. The middle brother obtained a gun, and the youngest one shot her in the face and killed her. The article said it was typical for these ultra-conservative Muslim families in Germany to have the murder committed by a family member under the age of 18 because the penalty would be lesser. The article continued that young muslim women in small Turkish villages had more freedom than the young women in the Berlin suburbs.

looked the other way but now they're taking a very "law and order" approach.

"We had to destroy that village in order to save it"...

That's just sad.

(others say she left an abusive husband). The man killed her for the supposed adultery, then killed the other daughters "so they wouldn't grow up and do the same thing."

Sick, sick, twisted, disgusting logic. I want to puke. It's always the woman who pays, so it seems. I'm fucking sick of it!

/end of rant.

Edit: So mad I can't spell.

Using him as an example might save women's lives.

Oh I forgot -- males are in full control in that back-ward country.

i believe it was out of Iraq.

When female family members are abducted by other tribes and then returned, they must be killed because of the possibility they may have been raped. The "honor' of the men must be preserved.

The Koran does not allow this; it a tribal custom and the men know it is wrong but they do it anyway. Sadly, the new constitution in Iraq makes it more difficult to prosecute these honor killings, which are anything but honorable.

Honestly, my daughter and I talked about this and we believe the only way these tribal customs will change is if the women rise up and destroy the bloodthirsty, arrogant sacks of shit who do this crap to them.

I think arming the women who are victim of oppression might be better....better yet...poison should be distributed to these women so they can kill the bastards on the sly...

but a widespread culling of those men who would kill their own children and relatives might be in order in some of these societies. If they won't learn how to be actual human beings in any other way.

The problem is, the victims are women, and even in our own society the death of a young woman is no cause to grieve.

the more deadlier, Oleander, grows pretty much everywhere like a weed. If they wanted to poison their male relatives, they could do so easily.

It's a cultural thing that goes much deeper and it's going to take the governments of those countries to enact strict laws and consequences for these killings and other abuse of women. Of course, it will be up to the more civilized nations of the world to pressure these governments to do so.

he married his brother's widow.

He also murdered his own girls....what a freaking lunatic.

Why didn't he kill himself, and leave a note that he was sacrificing himself for the honor of his family, nooo - he gets to kill his daughters.

Count Cat Stevens among these repressors of woman too. Giant turkey. I used to love his music.

Great acts of humanity like this would never happen in the absence of the joyous light that is belief. Let's all bend our hearts to remind ourselves that no retaliatory social structures can be properly sustained without certainty of the supernatural.