The Vietnam Syndrome is back in all it's glory thanks to jr. bush!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Syndrome

President George Bush the first claimed in 1991, after the Persian Gulf War, that "the ghosts of Vietnam had been laid to rest beneath the sands of the Arabian desert."

I remember when daddy bush claimed glorious victory in Iraq, even though Saddam was still in power, and he said something boastful like, "by god we've kicked that vietnam syndrome once and for all"! I swear he said that.

The Vietnam syndrome is a notion dreamed up by republican war pigs after the supposed defeat there. They blamed liberals for cutting and running and not having the guts to send more men off to die and finish the job. A total fantasy they've lived in for all these decades.

To daddy bush, the glorious gulf war was supposed to have cured the nation of it's lingering cowardice to use military force, and he boasted about being the discoverer of that cure.

But now his stupid ass son has revived the Vietnam syndrome once again, trapping our military in Iraq with no escape but retreat, which they see as defeat.

Only now it will be called the Iraq syndrome, and jr. bush's name will forever be associated with this great defeat. He will blame the liberals, but it is his shame to wear for all the ages.

being AWOL himself from that war.

They lie and say that Democrats attacked Vietnam vets but no one smeared Vietnam vets more than Bush campaign has.

I've seen it here - blaming the "conscript Army" for "breaking down" and "losing" in Viet Nam.

:puke:

Vietnam. Of course Bush's loyal (and some might say insane) base will blame the Democrats and the Media, but will that become the dominant opinion?

On the other hand, I don't think vietnam syndrome is all bad. Maybe we should be careful before invading another country.

Bryant
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The end game will have its parallels, but I think the outcome will ultimately be very, very different.

The Vietnam adventure was begun quietly and escalated over a longer period of time, almost surreptitiously compared to the guns ablaze, shock-and-awe of the invasion of Iraq. So the domestic polarization crept up on us with Vietnam; it's been here since before Iraq because of the 2000 election. So it seems to me that although there are parallels in the execution of the two wars, the beginnings were different, and different enough to play a huge part in the ending.

Vietnam presented a defined enemy; Iraq doesn't. That's why this talk about defining "victory" is going nowhere: if you win when you defeat the enemy -- and it's all about enemies -- who is the enemy in Iraq? The Iraqis? But I thought we were there to liberate them? The enemy can't be the Iraqi army, since we're supposed to be training them to "stand up" so we can "stand down." The militias? But aren't they killing more Iraqis than they are Americans?

So booosh was right about one thing -- we lose when we quit and go home -- but what else is there for us to do? Stay and continue to kill and be killed??? Is that "victory"?

The lesson not learned was not to go into a war you don't absolutely have to go into, a war you don't have any idea how to get out of, a war against an idea rather than. . .. . well, you know the drill.

So now, instead of having the Vietnam syndrome that was supposedly "vanquished" by GHWB's swift victory in 1991, we have the Vietraq syndrome, which is the quintessence of insanity: doing the same thing all over again only worse and expecting different results.

If the U.S. comes out of this Iraq debacle intact -- as a sovereign republic with a functioning economy and an independent government -- we had all better learn the lessons of Iraq and Vietnam, or we really are doomed.


Tansy Gold

From the internets ---

http://www.schikelgruber.net/war.html

" The fault is Rosa Luxembourg's and her jewish friends

Hitler never accepted the armistice and the defeat. When a new recruit suggested towards the
end of the war that further fighting was stupid, Hitler flied into the sergeant with his fists, beating
him. To him the “Reds” and their Jewish friends, like Rosa Luxembourg, were the masters of
revolutionary propaganda and were responsible of the defeat: their treacherous works, he
thought, created an atmosphere of civil unrest, military demoralization, and precipitated the end.
Once more in his life, Hitler was defeated, humiliated, beaten, and disappointed. His love for the
Motherland was shattered into pieces. The Motherland has been raped, he considered, by Jews
and Reds; much the same as Klara Hitler was raped by his father.

He even felt stupid for his love to a nation henceforth banned, humiliated, annihilated, and
starved. In his mind, the armistice of November 1917 became the “crime of November”
perpetrated by the Socialists (2) and a terrible desire of revenge and injustice took over the
sense of anger and despair he had before. This fiery desire will prove over the course of time
unquenchable and inextinguishable.

The capitalist western nations, manipulated by Reds and Jews, have killed his second mother.
He, Hitler, will kill or bring to slavery those who made an orphan of him for the second time in 12
years: in Mein Kampf, he wrote some years later “since the day where I stood beside my mother’
s grave, I had never cried.” Henceforth, the stage was set for the great Nazi horror show and, as
soon as 1919, Hitler knew what sort of world he wanted to write about and to set about creating:
a world without Reds whom he will enslave in Russia to give land to good Nazis and without
Jews whom he will kill everywhere to purify the world. In his first speech after his liberation from
jail in 1924, he will announce :"We must fight Marxism and Judaism not according to middle
class standards but over corpses." The message will not be received in Europe before it would
be too late."


Edited to add reference.

the RW hate machine is going to spin itself into the ground blaming dems for going wobbly & destroying our hegemony.

but there are no democrats in the PNAC.

You may be very surprised.