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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:17 PM
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With a nod to Paul Krugman, here is "The Cassandra Chronicles" Weekly Standard, April 23, 2003
A few people have posted Paul Krugman's column "They Told You So" which appeared in the New York Times today. In the first paragraph, he refers to an article called "The Cassandra Chronicles: The stupidity of the antiwar doomsayers" which appeared in the Weekly Standard back in the heady days of "Mission Accomplished."

I thought it might be fun to look it up. Sure enough, it is as smug and arrogant as I expected.

I encourage you to read it. You'll be glad you did:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/521fdfgf.asp

And next time some conservative idiot says "Nobody knew that Iraq was going to be a disaster," shove it in their face and say: "from your beloved right-wing rag The Weekly Standard... Read it and weep."
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:22 PM
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1. I don't know who is more successful
at making "conservatives" look like the fools they are; Krugman or the "conservatives" themselves. Wasn't the trick of Cassandra that all her predictions came true? Smug assholes like krystol who choose not to do the right thing but instead "stay the course" or in perle' and adelman's case say "whoa not us, we aren't responsible for anything." After their fair trial for crimes against humanity, hang each and every one of them until they are dead and leave their rotting carcasses hanging for all the world to see.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:30 PM
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6. great observation
What was the writer thinking when he titled it "Cassandra Chronicles"? Did he mean that all of the cheerleaders for the war were the Cassandras? But that doesn't play since Cassandra was ignored, like the anti-war protestors. Maybe the writer was too lazy to look up the story of Cassandra and didn't realize that his allusion could come back to bite him in the ass.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:39 PM
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11. "And Sherrod Brown is black you know so we have the racial component"
Good ole rush limbaugh, saving money by not hiring a fact checker. Printing the truth is so last century to conservatives. Who needs the truth when their audience doesn't care about it either.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:43 PM
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13. Being such a big @ss, you'd think he'd have been more careful.
lol
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:47 AM
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33. Cassandra Wasn't Much Fun at Parties
..
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:23 PM
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2. K&R
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 04:23 PM by central scrutinizer
I bet this one was prominently displayed in Freeperland when first published. I would laugh if I wasn't crying so hard. There is no joy in saying "I told you so" when hundreds of thousands are dead or permanently damaged by these arrogant douche bags.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:25 PM
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3. I like this. I have been saying over and over...
...probably to the point of driving even my friends nuts, variations on the theme of "Whaddaya mean, no one could have known it would turn out this way?" Followed by a long list that usually starts with "The couple hundred thousand people who showed up in DC to demonstrate against this madness back in 2002" and always includes "not to mention ANYONE who ever read Barbara Tuchman's 'The March of Folly,' and oh, yeah, not to mention ANYONE with even an elementary understanding of human nature, not to say even a very cursory knowledge of 20th Century Middle East history..."

Really.

It's been the metaphorical equivalent of standing at the cliff edge, waving my arms, jumping up and down, screaming, "No, NO! It's a CLIFF, you fools, a CLIFF!!" and watching the lemmings just part, go around me, and fling themselves enthusiastically into the void.

And now I'm tired, and hoarse from screaming, and sick with the smell of rotting lemming corpses, and now, NOW they're standing there, peering over, looking at each other and saying, "But how could we have known?"

I swear, it's enough to make me wanna kick a few more over the edge just outta spite.

wearily,
Bright
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:13 PM
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23. Lemmings!
That's brilliant - if only they were.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:07 AM
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35. 'The March of Folly'!
That was the best book ever - so prophetic. Maybe the neocons should have tried reading that instead of their think-tank fantasies.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:28 PM
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4. haha!!!!!! I love it!!!!!!!!!!
Those ass-wipes! Someone send them some crows to eat!

Julie
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:29 PM
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5. I saw no attribution for that article. Who on the editorial staff is
responsible for that? I'd like to thank him for preserving those prescient comments.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:10 PM
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17. William Kristol is certainly one of the more likely candidates.
Whomever it was, he should have his nose rubbed in it.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:32 PM
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7. They saw this...We saw that...




They drank their own KoolAid
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:34 PM
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8. Looks as if they were calling the naysayers jackasses a bit prematurely
Just like they were declaring mission accomplished prematurely.

It makes one wonder what else they do prematurely?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:37 PM
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10. Doing things prematurely is a republican trait!
Shall I name them?:)

:kick:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:40 PM
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19. I would be willing to bet Bush said the same thing
to Laura on their honeymoon, she never told him otherwise and he's been deluded ever since.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:36 PM
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9. This may be one of the biggest we told you so's ever.
What I find interesting there is tweety, who was against the war before he decided that Bush was the greatest wartime president ever, and now is stuck with years of ass-kissery to account for.

It is getting hard to keep a straight face while dismissing us as the lunatic left, since us loons were so much more perceptive than the sane people.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:43 PM
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12. This Needs To Be Literally Shoved Down The Throats
Of all the war apologists until they choke to death on it. Vile, bloodthirsty, scumbag lemmings, every last one of them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:51 PM
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15. These fetus adopters forget that most victims of wars are (warning)
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 04:52 PM by sfexpat2000
CHILDREN, not some trumped up vaguely brown nonChristian enemy.

CHILDREN, YOU COWARDLY FREEPER SCUM.





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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 04:51 PM
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14. '...and ordinary Baghdadis poured into the streets to kiss
our GIs and stomp on pictures of Saddam Hussein, THE SCRAPBOOK has remained the soul of magnanimity and restraint....

'...A lesser SCRAPBOOK would throw open the file boxes and run through the streets with treasures like these, laughing hysterically....'

Start running....now.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:05 PM
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16. Wow, they insulted a veteran, a war correspondent, a weapons
inspector, and other qualified, well-meaning people.

I'll just wait here for the apology to be published.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:17 PM
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18. Cassandra was right and so were we
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 05:17 PM by bklyncowgirl
Because she turned down the amorous advances of the god Apollo, she was granted the gift of prophesy but with the added curse that nobody would believe her.

You'd think that these geniuses at Weekly Standard would have bothered to look up the story.

As it turned out,the title is actually quite appropriate not to mention ironic.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:26 PM
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24. I was actually called Cassandra at the time
By somebody I was trying to explain the facts to - a date, in fact. Called me Cassandra. Well I was right.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:16 AM
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26. Yeah--how come rich little sniveling neocon Kristol wasn't better educated?
I'd have thought that Irving and Gertrud would have bought their little satan's spawn the best education money could buy.

And this dumbass doesn't know the story of Cassandra?

I used to have a hard time processing the notion that Kristol and his revolting pals, such as "The Gargoyle" Krauthammer, really are stuck on stupid. I had a hard time realizing that megalomaniacal, diabolical, evil could co-exist in a mind right along with blinding, drooling, stupidity. But these two qualities can indeed co-exist in one person: numerous neocons are living proof of it. There is also the famous description of neocon Douglas Feith: someone once called him "the stupidest fucking guy I know."

That's really our great hope against these anti-American, treasonous, bastards: their Achilles heel is their lack of intelligence. Yes, the neocons can be defeated. Hopefully, forever.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:21 PM
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38. i think the 2 have to go together.
this kind of evil, imho, is the result of either a stunted or a whithered brain. i have seen formerly kind, intelligent liberal people grow old and demented. so many turn to ugliness of just that sort. prejudice and fear erupt where there was none before.
some are raised with anger and ugliness, and their emotional intelligence is strangled and starved.
a few generations of fairness and peace would leave us in a very different place.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:53 PM
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20. Biggest mistake: believing their own propaganda
What a bunch of amateurs.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:56 PM
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21. Burning the village down to "save" it...
"If history is a guide, you cannot subdue a large and hostile city except by
destroying it completely. Short of massacre, we will not inherit a pacified Iraq
. . . . To support 'the groundwork' for this effort is to support a holocaust,
quite soon, against Iraqi civilians and also against the troops on both sides.
That is what victory means."

--James K. Galbraith on the American Prospect website, April 1, 2003

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:30 AM
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30. Reading that quote gave me chills. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:40 AM
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32. aka Civil War...n/t
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:13 PM
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22. K&R
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 07:29 PM by judaspriestess
on edit: the unbelievable arrogance of these evil war mongers. I could just imagine kristol typing this article dancing around naked smearing human blood all over himself. Disgusting
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:39 PM
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25. They (the neo-cons) scored a touchdown in the first quarter and thought
the game was over. Too bad it wasn't neo-cons paying for this war in blood and treasure instead of soldiers, Marines and Iraqis.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:18 AM
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27. How prescient!
Excellent find, Skinner!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:20 AM
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28. They forgot that noted foreign policy expert, Janeane Garofalo
"I resent ... Senator Santorum's assertions that this won't be particularly costly or lengthy. This is going to be economically devastating for us. And also, the assertion that inaction breeds terrorist strikes, that is ridiculous. Action in Iraq will make us decidedly less safe."

- Interview with Tony Snow on Fox News, February 23, 2003
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:28 AM
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29. Great find. And how right was (a seemingly sane) Tweety?
"This invasion of Iraq, if it goes off, will join the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Desert One, Beirut, and Somalia in the history of military catastrophe. What will set it apart, distinguishing it for all time, is the immense--and transparent--political stupidity."

--Chris Matthews, San Francisco Chronicle, August 25, 2002

I really like the "political stupidity" part. How right he was.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:41 AM
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31. may they eat
their collective asshats.

dp
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:56 AM
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34. Didn't they know who Cassandra was?
She was right. What a pack of arrogant idiots they are.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:50 AM
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36. This just goes to show that they'll SPIN just about anything to make it 'fit'
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 11:56 AM by file83
their agenda. Even if it means rewriting ancient Greek mythology to their advantage.

This kind of behavior is doomed to failure. Truth always prevails. This being a case in point.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:13 PM
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39. I don't think they "rewrote" the story of Cassandra.
I think that they were too damn lazy and arrogant to actually look up the story and make sure it fit.

"Oh yeah, those anti-war people are just a bunch of Cassandras" says Neocon 1. who god a "D" in ancient Greek literature in college because he kept insisting that Heracles was really a precursor of Ronald Reagan.

"Yeah" says Neocon 2, who never heard of Cassandra but assumes it's some sort of Greek version of Chicken Little.

"Let's write an article calling these antiwar A-holes a bunch of Cassandras" says Neocon 1.

"Cool" says Neocon 2.

An article is born and of the few people who actually read it some remember that Cassandra was some sort of prophet. A few people on some liberal blog or other point out the factual error but for the most part the error goes unnoticed until Paul Krugman--who more than a few people read--points it out.


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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:03 PM
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40. I'm going to have to agree with you on that one.
:thumbsup:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:50 AM
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37. K&R
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