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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:37 PM
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Why did Bush fire Rumsfeld?
Now that he has chosen Rumsfeld's plan of stay the course and slapping ISG down,
Why the hell did he fire his ass?

Is this why Poppy was crying ...his son has run astray?

Has Cheney really muscled Bush so much that Bush kisses his ass?

Will the military choose to follow just two bozos off the face of the Earth?

With over 90% of this country and 90% of the world disagreeing with these two men's tactics ..... Is the world just gonna sit back?

What the phuck is gonna happen?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:46 PM
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1. Rumsfeld resigned to spend more time waterboarding his family. n/t
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:48 PM
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2. that's hilarious
and a little cruel...but I loved it.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:48 PM
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3. roflmao!!! Kickadoodle Dandie!!!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:49 PM
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4. Rummy was fired because pubs lost majority.
I they had been able to steal the election, he would still be there.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:53 PM
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5. Rove said, "George, this Runmmy has to go now" because Rumsfeld wrote a
letter saying that things were not going well and they needed to change some things.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:11 PM
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6. Right.
Rummy was fired so that they wouldn't have to change anything they are actually doing in Iraq. They hoped to fool the people. But the Titanic is listing badly now, and, frankly, throwing the grand piano overboard has had no effect....
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:26 PM
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7. Just because he's The Decider, I guess. n/t
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:31 PM
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8. he fired Rummie, cause he couldn't fire Clinton
Rummie was the scapegoat, the patsy for what has gone wrong in Iraq, it was Rummie's fault,
now if we only got a pr improved slogan for staying the course all would be fine, we would
have won the election, if we had just said "embed the troops" instead of "stay the course".

What idiots.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:32 PM
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9. Rumsfeld fired himself.
He's got $2.3 trillion to spend and he ain't getting any younger.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:36 PM
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11. I think you're closest to the truth, Sofa King--and he doesn't want to spend
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 02:42 PM by Peace Patriot
any of his "golden years" in jail. This guy's outa here. Off to Paraguay--maybe to direct a private corporate resource war against the Andean democracies (oodles of oil, gas, minerals and other resources to be had, that are now being misspent on the people of Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela ), using all the boodle (our tax money) they've poured into the Colombia military ($600 million this year alone) and items like the lo-o-o-ong US military air base runway in Paraguay near the new Bush Cartel 100,000-acre compound. He can have a lot of fun slaughtering and torturing peasants and leftists in South America, and surround himself with a private Praetorian guard to prevent any extradition ideas anybody gets.

I don't think it was the election of a Democratic Congress, whose leaders' first words were "impeachment is off the table" is why he resigned. I think it was legal liability--possibilities for crimes that we cannot yet quite see--for instance, the REAL reasons for torture and rendition (I think we can be fairly certain it wasn't to "keep America safe"), or the REAL reasons for the Plame/Brewster-Jennings outings (why strip the US of its main WMD counter-proliferation network at a time when WMD counter-proliferation is so important?), and/or, where Rumsfeld really was on the morning of 9/11, with hijacked jets heading for DC, and the WTC in flames?

I think Rumsfeld was the grand master of the Bush Junta's worst and most hidden crimes, and maybe the shit has hit the fan behind the scenes, on what is now known by certain parties, and how the finger-pointing is going to go. (For instance, the Bush crime family trying to save Junior from complicity in a scheme to torture and kill witnesses to Bushite crimes, under cover of "anti-terrorism," or some of the folks in the US military and intel establishment good and pissed off by stuff they've learned, like maybe how the Niger forgeries were concocted and by whom--that plot hit them very hard, with the entire military dragged into a quagmire/occupation in Iraq where no WMDs were found.) I get the feeling--don't ya'all get the feeling?--that there's a whole lot going on that we cannot see?

It's very Rovian to conjoin events that are unrelated--to make it look like Rumsfeld was fired because, suddenly, out of nowhere, Bush started to CARE about what the American electorate thinks. (I mean, come on!) Nope, I think Rumsfeld resigned by mutual agreement to cover something up (something really, really bad), or maybe was forced out by high-placed patriotic military or CIA who found something out (or both)--with CIA-connected Daddy Bush trying to limit the fallout on dimson. And the ISG is some kind of cover up. It's really aimed at SAVING the Iraq War, not ending it. Which makes me think the something hidden--the "Rumsfeld" crime--may be the Niger forgeries--a grand Rumsfeld scheme to PLANT nukes in Iraq, to stage a phony "find" of nukes in Iraq, after the invasion? --and, of course, the Bush family would be into blaming such a thing on Rumsfeld, and saying little Bush knew nothing. If such a plot got exposed, the war boodle would be in grave jeopardy--the American people would insist on Bush/Cheney's impeachment, and an end to the war NOW. The ISG Report is a way to stay in Iraq for a long time--disguised as a way to get out. It IS the quagmire. The way things have BEEN going, a rout of the US military could occur--making a Saigan-type evac necessary, with consequent loss of all control over the Middle East. With that happening, and a deep scandal coming out to manufacture evidence to justify the war--Bush would truly be toast. So Rumsfeld (mastermind) would have to go--to get the scandal away from blivet--and the war effort would have to be rescued, to keep the war profiteers happy, and to maintain the capability for a Gulf of Tonkin-type incident with Iran (--everything still aimed at domination of Mideast oil fields).

Now, it's interesting to examine Bush's behavior in light of these speculations--and also Cheney's behavior. They're both acting like they "won" something--even with the US public utterly repudiating their policies, and with the added apparent criticism (blistering criticism) of their war by the ISG. What could they have "won"? Could be the fingerpointing contest. They blamed something (unknown) on Rumsfeld and he was pressured out. So now they feel more powerful. All behind the scenes. Their bluster strikes us as nuts--but it may be related to this something that we can't see. (And it also could be faked--both the ISG Report and their reaction to it--a plan for continued quagmire (war profiteering) that they will cherry-pick and reluctantly adopt, or had already planned.)

In any case, I think we may be nearly blind about what is really going on, especially re Rumsfeld and his abrupt departure. I like to think there are some good guys watching over our government--and I do think there are--but it outrages me that the citizens of this country have so little real information about the perils that we are in, and what these master criminals have done, and so little control over our own government.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:49 PM
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12. PAPER BALLOTS, HAND-COUNTED, WITH TOTALS POSTED AT THE PRECINCT
LEVEL BEFORE ANY ELECTRONICS ARE INVOLVED...NOW!

Did you know they handcount 55% of the vote in Venezuela, because the electronic voting system is new, and they don't trust it entirely? Do you know how much of our vote is handcounted to check the electronic totals?

If you don't, then you'd better find out. Because that's pretty much the key to everything.

(Hint: In many places, ZERO.)

-------

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1901
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:24 PM
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14. I agree with you, there may be something big Rummy is hiding.
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 09:25 PM by goforit
Hiding his stash, irradicating the evidence of crimes, putting things in order for his exit.
Some how I feel he will never show up in court to testify for nuttin.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:44 PM
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10. king george is emotionally a five year old
he's a malignant sociopath

he is incapable of admitting he's wrong. he will literally start murdering people randomly with his own hands in utter, uncontrollable rage before he'll admit he is wrong.

poppy tried to fiddle around the edges a bit before the baker report swun for the fences by getting rid of rummie and a few others and replacing them with his former accomplices, but it didn't work. The irony is that the baker report is really not that different from what the cabal has been doing all along. It just slaps junior's wrist a little and tells him to play nice with someone besides the saudis.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 03:02 PM
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13. It was no accident.
All the leaks, course changes, whistleblowing, on and on, are never accidents. One of the incoming democratic committee heads cautioned against putting any credence in public announcementss, particularly those expressing outrage.

The basic thought was that all the details were worked out in private and any public posturing was just for consumption by an ignorant public.

This informs me that a deal was made, a price was offered and accepted, including the time frame of *'s announcement and there were no surprises, except for us innocents.
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