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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:25 PM
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Poll question: Are you in favor of ousting Silvestre Reyes?
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 10:26 PM by Kelly Rupert
I've seen a lot of threads on here about certain Democrats and how well the fit the "good Democrat" mold. However, I have long believed that the hallmark trait of a good Democrat was competency. And so I have to ask--do people here believe that Reyes is as incompetent as he came off in his CQ interview? Or was the interview just an ambush not reflective of his degree of competency? And finally, since I haven't seen much talk about it on DU, does it simply not matter how competent he is?

Edit, on the off-chance you have no idea what I'm talking about: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6171881.stm
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:28 PM
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1. Competency in DC is graded on a curve.
Reyes is as good as it gets.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:29 PM
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2. Who else is left?
Besides the hawkish Congresswoman (Harman) and the ex-judge who was impeached for taking bribes (Hastings)? What about Tierney? I don't know him but he's a Dem from Mass, so I'm guessing he's liberal.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:29 PM
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3. Kick, because I want a few replies.
I want to support this guy. But I haven't seen any information that puts what he said in a better light. I know he served for six years on the committee, so he can't possibly simply be ignorant. Could someone tell me what's going on here?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:30 PM
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4. He embodies everything we represent
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:31 PM
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5. He's not qualified for this job
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 11:11 PM by antiimperialist
How would we react if a Republican said Al Qaeda is predominantly Shiite?
We wouldn't stop laughing and called for his resignation.
Republicans are wrong 99% of the time. And I'm sure if Reyes were a Republican, they wouldn't have a problem with his ignorance.
But sometimes you have to be unbiased and think a little.
Being ignorant about the facts about one attack waged by Al Qaeda in say, 1998, is one thing, but ignoring the very essence and structure of our #1 enemy is unacceptable for a chair, no matter how well-intention he/she is.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:32 PM
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7. That's what my first reaction was.
But I'm simply having a hard time believing that Pelosi would knowingly throw her weight behind someone unqualified, and I'm have an equally hard time believing that someone could serve for six years on the Intelligence committee and not know that Hezbollah is Shi'a and Al-Qaida is Sunni.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:36 PM
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10. Many of the r-THUGS did FAR WORSE than Reyes...
Did you see the author on CNN?

Your own &%# president couldn't respond to the questions with any accuracy whatsoever.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:38 PM
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12. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but how do you do worse
than dead wrong?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:43 PM
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15. Uh..
First you ask us if he's completely incompetent .. or if it was an ambush..

Then you claim that he's just "DEAD WRONG"

Sounds to me like you had already come to your own conclusion before you drafted this silly little poll.

I know what the author said on Wolf Blitzer. Many THUGS, including Bush, faired even worse when asked the same questions.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:45 PM
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16. Calm down there.
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 10:47 PM by Kelly Rupert
I didn't say he was incompetent. I said he was dead wrong on two questions that were asked of him. He was. He was asked if al-Qaeda was Sunni or Shi'a. He said Shi'a. That is incorrect. He was asked if Hezbollah was Sunni or Shi'a. He didn't answer.

On these two questions, he was dead wrong. And that cannot be in doubt. That is totally uncontested. That isn't the question I'm asking.

I'm sure that many Republicans fared equally bad. (I'm not sure how you can do *worse* on two either/or questions than 0/2) But that isn't the question either. I have no doubt, as I've made clear, that he's *more* competent than Bush or your average Republican.

What the question is, is if his incorrect answer makes him unqualified, or if it was non-representitive of his abilities and knowledge.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:32 PM
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6. One of the mediaheads on CNN said that Bush did FAR WORSE...
..when asked the =SAME= questions, but that it didn't garner any media attention..

Reyes will do a great job.

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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:34 PM
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8. There's no doubt that Bush is far, far worse than anything we could put up.
But I get a bit nervous when we start comparing our guy's knowledge of the ME to Bush's. I'm sure he'll do an okay job; better than any Republican would. But I'm finding this business deeply disturbing.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:36 PM
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9. I am concerned, but not willing to say
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 10:39 PM by mitchtv
"not qualified". This business about more troops is scary, of course he is from Texas and nowhere near the real world. I wonder what party he thinks is going to be in charge. I am not real happy about the appointment. To be honest, I missed the'test' he failed, but I hear to puke members didn't know the answer either.
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westerebus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:36 PM
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11. And the answer is...
As long as he will do what ever is necessary to get the troops out of Iraq, I don't care if he can't find his own ass with both hands.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:38 PM
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14. That's an understandable reason for supporting him.
Thanks.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:38 PM
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13. The right might use him against us in 2008
National security will be one issue that we should dominate in 2008.
We have slowly gained momentum in this issue, and now we are probably viewed more competent than the GOP in this aspect.
Let's not give them ammunition by appointing someone who doesn't know what Al Qaeda is.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:49 PM
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17. I can't defend him
But it's actually a pretty uninspiring group of people on that committee anyway, which could partly explain why we're in this mess.

http://intelligence.house.gov/MemberList.aspx
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:51 PM
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19. I suppose if "best of a pack of terrible options"
is our best argument for him, I'll have to take it. I feel nervous about supporting him on pure pragmatism that way, but least-bad-option seems par for the course nowadays.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:58 AM
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33. Maybe they can go outside the Intelligence Committee
& choose someone who is 1) well versed on national security & 2)smart, who is able to get up to date quickly on necessary info.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:51 PM
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18. I think he should have known the answers to those questions ....
I expect MORE from Democrats than repukes, so the argument that he 'scored higher' than some GOPers is ridiculous .... I think he is not qualified: period ....

Pelosi should be placing competency before loyalty ....

Surely there are Representatives who are more suitable for that job ....

They blew it .....
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:59 PM
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21. I agree that we should expect more from us than them.
And I agree that competency should be placed above everything else. But are two bad questions enough to declare someone incompetent? Admittedly, they should have been softballs, but still, everyone can have a brain-freeze.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:57 PM
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20. Reyes demonstrated a shocking lack
of knowledge about topics he should have known. But there are many, many others who have not chosen to inform themselves, despite their roles in govt. decision-making. Let's start at the top: What does * know about the M.E.? Not much.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 10:59 PM
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22. No doubt Bush is worse.
We should be better.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:07 PM
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23. I'm totally ticked off
because these are the people who are making decisions that destroy and end lives. They have a responsibility to learn about the basics. Why do we trust them to know anything about whether drilling for oil in the Gulf is a wise decision or whether changes should be made in social security? You could probably get a class of tenth graders who could come up with broader knowledge than people like * or Lott.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:15 PM
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25. There are tenth graders who know more than Reyes ....
Edited on Tue Dec-12-06 11:15 PM by Trajan
Obviously ....
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:12 PM
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24. The "Bush is worse" logic is flawed
B being worse than A doesn't necessarily make A good.
The poll is more about whether we could find a better "C" for the job.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:19 PM
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26. That was not the "logic." Bush is worse. Period.
Meaning we are in deep doo-doo.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:21 PM
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27. And Dems wonder why they are perceived as weak
on National Security?

This guy is NOT prepared to chair the intelligence committee.

I knew the answers to the questions, & I'm sure most everyone here did also.

Don't make excuses for inept Dems by comparing them to inept Republicans.

Reyes has been on this committee for 6 years, & he knows nothing.

Pelosi should get him out as quickly as possible, & limit the damage.

I'm also shocked that the guy who has lived here for how many years? has to think in Spanish?

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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:48 PM
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29. His ignorance is shocking ...
As an American, I want him OFF that committee chair ...

And I am disappointed in Pelosi as well .... WTF is she doing ? ...

I adore the woman, but DAMNIT ! .... Get it RIGHT ! ....
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:54 AM
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31. You're right!
Write a letter, e-mail to Pelosi.

It's pretty sad when U.K. papers are publishing this info.

Pelosi & Reyes look like idiots.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:31 AM
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34. I'm starting to think Pelosi isn't quite
what I thought she was. While Murtha would have been a great choice for her deputy, she should have known that he was politically infeasible. Hastings was an embarrassing debacle. Reyes looks bad. And really, I can't believe she hasn't booted Jefferson from the entire Democratic caucus after her pledges to run the cleanest, most transparent Congress ever.

She isn't evil, or incompetent, or anything like that. But she isn't quite the breath of fresh air I was hoping she'd be. We're acting more like the Republicans than I'm comfortable with, and I worry that if we don't start coming down harder on our side, we'll fall into the same quicksand they did.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:26 PM
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28. kick
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 11:54 PM
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30. This is such an important topic
Thanks for posting!

I can't believe more people are not responding.

I guess they're too busy posting new polls for 2008.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:57 AM
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32. I put my leter on the mail
asking pelosi to remove him, why? If he can't answer those questions, we are in trouble and walking into it

If anybody else wants to join me, here are her adresses

District Office - 450 Golden Gate Ave. - 14th Floor - San Francisco, CA 94102 - (415) 556-4862
Washington, D.C. Office - 235 Cannon HOB - Washington, DC 20515 - (202) 225-4965
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:33 AM
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35. I want Rush Holt!--at least he has independence and a brain! n/t
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:39 AM
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36. I haven't heard much about him.
Though if he's as good as you say, I have to wonder why he wasn't chosen.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:49 AM
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37. yeah--not surprised such a bad choice happened, but really wondering why???!!!
my trust (as limited as it is) in Ms Nancy is not bolstered by this.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 09:50 AM
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38. I assume just a classic case of appointing the loyal before the competent.
Washington business as usual, it seems. I wish I could support him, but I still haven't seen anything that points to him having a clue.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:16 AM
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40. I'm not sure, but I think there are rules about seniority involved
or perhaps she needed to appoint a minority. (cynical, sorry!)
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:15 AM
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39. Sorry...I want him out and Jane in.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:17 AM
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41. Other. n/t
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