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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:07 PM Original message |
Obama, not Edwards, is the true choice for progressive voters... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. .... With all due respect ... |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yes, I've read that thread... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. ...while managing to imply, at the same time, |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. No.. I don't believe Edwards sucks.. |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Because he cares about the poor n/t |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
109. Edwards just cares. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama was in a solid blue state running against a hard-right candidate. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. and a "carpet-bagger" to boot... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #36 |
62. you've put the cart before the horse, there. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. ryan was not pushed out for keyes- |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. i agree with your second point |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. do you have evidence of that...? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
101. no, i can't prove it, but |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. it seems the lunacy isn't contained to one side... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. well, i know one thing |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
90. There's a reason the GOP couldn't recruit someone better than Keyes. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. so says you |
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elmerdem (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. no one with... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. um-- Kucinich is the best progressive in the race at this point... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. If you want to get all radical about it, Abbie Hoffman said something like... |
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MzNov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I agree! He's a true progressive. nt |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Kucinich is a GREAT candidate... |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. I had a very disappointing experience with Kucinich. |
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MzNov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Good to know these things. The more we know, the better choices we'll make. nt |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. He has said he would repeal the Patriot Act |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
97. Plus Dennis was one of the few who voted against it in the first place. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. I shook his hand during the '04 primaries in NH, and it was like touching a dead fish |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. that kerry vibe... |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. That hasn't been the experience of the folks in the Kerry group |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. most of the people i know get that feeling from him... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. I met Kerry on Labor Day in 2004 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. the vast majority of voters never meet the candidates... |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. If your point had been "how did he seem" as opposed to "how he is" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. you really need to learn to read and/or comprehend better- |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Be that as it may, your overall attitude appeared to be that |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. i have no idea what kind of person he actually is- and neither do you. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
114. I'm an issues voter not a personality voter. I'm not looking for a boyfriend in Dennis Kucinich or |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. Have they ever met him personally |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. the same way that the vast majority of voters get their impressions- |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Kucinich was probably exhausted. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
96. Will, did Dennis ever miss a House vote? I know he tried not to but |
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seashorelady (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. I recall Edwards spending a lot of time |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
95. That's NOT the way other DUers who met him describe him. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
113. I'm sure he was exhausted. If he was like that all the time, no one would like him. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. Progressive Lieberman protege. |
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never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. He is NOT a Lieberman protege |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
91. #2 is a bad question. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
94. Yes, and there are certainly are a lot of people who don't want to give him a chance. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. True progressives will fight and kick and scream and eventually... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. True progressives are rare. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
104. That's how I see Obama. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. You know what they say about OPINIONS! |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. I cannot get past Obama's vote to confirm Condi Rice as SoS |
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MzNov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. I haven't been able to get over his immediate support for LIEBERMAN |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
92. I was disappointed with Feingold voting for Ashcroft |
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Roxy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. Elizabeth sways my vote for Edwards...I like the whole package thing n/t |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. So you're saying that all the other choices are false, and progressives |
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MzNov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I don't think he's saying either. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am giving Edwards my vote at the moment. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. I like 'em both |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. First: The 'Obama vs. Edwards' election comparison is false ... |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. You're right. Edwards has more Southern appeal. |
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edwardsfeingold08 (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Edwards wasn't at the top of the ticket. |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. ah yes, the circular firing squad |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. Comparing Obama's election to Edwards' really isn't fair.... |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
23. Edwards always talks about the poor, and I give him a lot of credit for that |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. Neither, thank you |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
29. Hm |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. reply... |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
88. I'm not sure what you were implying, but |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
111. Edwards campaigned for Webb. It is on YouTube: |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Fair enough. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kind of jumping the gun there-- Obama 'hasn't' wanted this??? |
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aaronbees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
31. They're both populist, people-powerd candidates... |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
33. I can't believe we're even talking about this. |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The OP has an obvious agenda .... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. I'm also wondering why we have to decide NOW who we are behind... |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. a coupla points |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
39. On guns, Obama is more authoritarian than progressive |
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thatsrightimirish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. California was WAY more electoral votes |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Now, if everyone believed that we can't win Texas... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
60. How does this compare with Edward's stance on gun control? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Last I heard, they're about the same |
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thatsrightimirish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
43. Excuse me, but |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
47. Some points here... |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
49. he is a good orator - but is he a wolf in sheep clothing |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Obama has voted consistently Democratic in the Senate... |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. are you talking about Edwards or Obama? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
51. You're gonna tell us who we get to choose from? Who are you, the media? |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. so what do any of your points have to do... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
54. Either man may be a viable choice for a variety of reasons. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
57. So far, Obama's been behaving like a center-left Clinton-style "progressive" |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
99. In other words, a moderate Republican. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
58. we have so many in the fold that would make a good President |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
59. I have to agree that Obama does seem more authentic and he seems like a better |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
63. quite frankly, I wish Edwards would run for the Senate again |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. If he doesn't run for Pres....Liddy Dole's seat could be his.... That would |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
64. I like Edwards more. (nt) |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
65. Your Primary Wars are starting way too early for me. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
67. Well |
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Redneck Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:35 PM Original message |
Wow, he beat Alan Keyes? |
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PeaceProgProsp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. I remember Edwards having a very high voting record and among |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
72. On this point you are simply uninformed about Edwards.... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
75. I prefer Obama, but not for the reasons you provide as much as |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Edwards must be faulted for his IWR vote. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Well I see a difference in various Senators who voted for it... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
80. I like both Obama and Edwards and think each would be a good president |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. I think they would make a great winning ticket |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
108. I think this would be the ticket Edwards and Obama |
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novalib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
86. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TWO CANDIDATES!!!!!!! |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Exactly! Everyone else is being coy. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
89. I think they are both good choices for progressives. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
100. Obama right now, with Edwards a darn close second!! I'm glad the two are available!! |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
105. Yeah but |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Look how close Harold Ford came in Tennessee. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
106. Oh, good. It's official now. Thanks for instructing me who to vote for. |
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