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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:24 PM
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The war was lost about three years ago or so.
Some say it was lost before it began, some say it was lost after the Abu Ghraib torture photos surfaced, some say the war was lost after the elections and accompanying civil war, (oops-did I say civil war?), but like a ghost who doesn't even know he's dead yet, this war was lost utterly and nobody noticed till the other day.

You can say the same thing about America, it too died as a nation about 6 years ago, and is so entrenched in distraction and shock that it didn't notice that it had demised.

Sometimes I have to hold my jaw in place with duct tape so it doesn't hit the floor when I see the idiot ape standing up there with generals standing behind him, saying the most unbelievable hallucinogenic ramblings with such a lack of tact, so clueless, so incoherent and disconnected from reality, an embarrassment to our nation, the dread of nations, our president, laughing and grinning like a possum eating shit and giggling while talking about the horrors he's wrought.

No joke. We are in grave danger, we've allowed a maniac to start and lose a war. This is not some guy who embezzled some funds, or took a bribe, or made some mistakes, this is a monster who started a fucking war that cannot be won, wasted the lives of so many of our sons and daughters, blasted the life out of so many children and grandmothers, tortured so many innocent fathers and grandfathers, what he has done is not some forgivable misdemeanor, he has committed the worst crimes any human can commit.

He started a war, it's a disaster, we can't fix it, he's NOT listening, he's totally delusional, and no one, absolutely no one seems to be interested in stopping him. He lost his own fucking war, he's in over his fucking head, and America watches in a stupor, impotent, over medicated, fat and comfortable while he literally pisses in all our faces and in the faces of all those who died by his decree.

Goddamn. I will be so glad when he goes away. When will the nation admit, the war is over, lost, a failure, all for naught, all in vain, all because of one maniac, who still stands before us, grinning and giggling like a crackhead.

The war was lost a long, long time ago, how many more years will it take America to admit it?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:26 PM
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1. Well a lot would admit that now - almost half I would say
As for the rest - here's another question - was the Iraq war our fault? Or President Bush's fault?

I think the nation would be fine putting the blame on our buddy Bush, but I don't see them taking responsibility for it themselves.

Bryant
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:31 PM
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2. We, the unwashed masses, did what we could with mass demonstrations,
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 03:32 PM by Cleita
telephoning and letter and email writing our representatives not to start this war to no avail. We begged them not to pass the IWR but many of them did. We came to the shocking realization that what, we the people, wanted counted for nothing to our leaders.

I personally will not take one iota of blame for this. I did what one unimportant person could do and then some and I believe a majority of Americans also did so.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:07 PM
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4. you know, I have to agree with bryant about this....
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 04:09 PM by mike_c
Please hear me out-- I know it's a really bitter pill, and I don't like it any better than you do. I think we have to accept responsibility because we're a democracy. A flawed democracy, to be sure, but in the end we accept the authority of our elected officials even when we voted against them because we accept the principle of majority consensus government. We have mechanisms in place to prevent the "tyrrany of the majority" if we choose to use them, and checks and balances to limit the accumulation of power to the point where democracy cannot prevail.

I'm sure you can see where some of the flaws in our democracy are rather glaring, and I certainly won't defend them. Nonetheless, in a democratic society we must all take responsibility for the decisions of government, even when they conflict with our interests. The authority for those decisions flows from us-- the government makes them in our names.

We cannot repudiate them without repudiating the government's authority itself. Only by withdrawing our own authority-- the authority to act in our names-- can we avoid responsibility. I don't think we can do that casually, or simply by saying it. By leaving the country perhaps. Certainly by taking up arms against the government. But if we live in a democracy we are the democracy-- we cannot dodge responsibility for what is done under our authority, no matter how much we despise it.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:33 PM
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3. Bush presidency has been a waking nightmare
There are times I have to pinch myself to prove that I'm not dreaming up this shit.

If someone told me in 2000 what would occur in the next 6 years, I would not have believed him. It would have sounded too far-fetched. Americans couldn't be that dumb, could they?

Unfortunately, yes, Americans can be that dumb. In fact, they can be dumber.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:26 PM
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5. it was lost before we went in
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:31 PM
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6. This was no private sexual indiscretion. This was deadly serious
resulting in death and the death of America.

I am certainly not responsible for this in any way because I knew it was wrong when the winds of invasion were blowing.

But our Congress shares responsibility along with the Decider for they surrendered their war powers to him and continue to fund the horror ever since. They have not denied this maniac one dime to carry out his evil plans.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:39 PM
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7. I don't think GWB started this war ...
If I remember right, it was his daddy GHWB in 1990.

It was on low-simmer with "no-fly-zone" and "oil for food" enforcement thru the WJC years.

GWH just ratcheted it way up after 9/11, sort of to finish what dad didn't.

It's about time it ended.
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