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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:33 AM Original message |
Why all the vitriol on the circumcision threads? |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. People who have had a lobotomy don't miss anything, either |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. See, that is the vitriol I am talking about |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:51 AM Original message |
"Naughty bits", eh? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
26. "naughty bits" shows a tendency to be aware of other cultures |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. LOL....Shame! Actually, I watched too much Monty Python and Benny Hill.. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. See, you got some education about a different culture and place |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
52. "Naughty bits" |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
185. It's worse than that. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #185 |
194. Agreed. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #185 |
241. That's right... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
271. To compare female removal of the clitoris with removal of foreskin is absurd |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Dupe, sorry. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Yes - I noticed that too... |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I am not calling anyone names |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
130. If you're not going to wear a condom.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
300. That's absolutely true. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Wow, that's a fucked up comparison |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Seems A Bit More Effective Than A Lobotomy |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. my husband made the decision for the boys. i would not. |
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woodsprite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I belong to a Mom's group - 150 ladies |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. it really |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
131. Female circumcision is used to subordinate women. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:25 AM Response to Reply #131 |
234. Sounds like the exact same reasons for male circs when they became vogue. |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #234 |
256. Really? 'Cause it sounds nothing like that. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #131 |
282. That Tells Me Two Things About Those Who Promote Female Circumcision |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #131 |
310. No, it's is definitely not the same thing. |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
225. As a father I am glad I never had that decision to make, we had daughters |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. almost 12 yrs later, i am fine with his decision. we discussed with |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. My husband over-ruled me on it too. I said that he had to be the one |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. lol lol. hated it. just hated it. i could say that a handful more times |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Could the idea of an infant in pain be the reason for the vitriol? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. i will tell you when done, my boys didnt cry during procedure nor |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
95. My first son had it cut off, the second they used that bell thingy that |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Mom said that my Father requested my brother be circumcized. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. I made the decision with my son |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. post 28. i hear ya cali. that is how i see many have looked at it |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
132. I think having to make that sort of decision with your mother |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. My friends who work in retirement homes say that old men with foreskin |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
54. How many of them choose circumcision to 'solve' that problem? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
109. My dad was circumcized in Korea at 21. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
224. my husband's dad was circumcised in his 60's for the same reasons... |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Funny - my 78-year old father has never had that complaint |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
97. I am sure it isn't a problem for everyone. |
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tenshi816 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
279. It's not routinely done in Europe. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
205. How do they control infections in women who can't clean themselves? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
8. My problem with it is a false sense of security. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
10. you wrote... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. you are not only funny, but clever. took me about 30 sec to get |
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RedEarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. lol.... that's hilarious |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
81. that was funny, thank you |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
313. And crapping yourself... lmao n/t |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. Most pediatricians now use anesthetic. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
242. The doctor used anesthetic on both of my sons.... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Because it cuts close and personal? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
18. i am happily, happily cut. |
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movie_girl99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
20. my son's father was not circumcised but wanted our son to be |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
21. I don't know. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
23. Circumcision, breastfeeding, homeschooling, co-sleeping... |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. As I'm sure you know |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. they want conformation to their belief and value systems |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
174. I don't even think it's that, necessarily |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
46. That is very true. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
94. You're absolutely correct and I didn't express myself well. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
41. YOU are so RIGHT. i cannot express to you how right on you are |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. It's not just DU |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I had to stop going to parenting boards. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
111. Me, too. The Self righteousness is unreal. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. It's a shame, too. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:11 PM Original message |
Sometimes we're a weird parallel of freepers - we don't care if you abort, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
102. Sometimes we're a weird parallel of freepers - we don't care if you abort, |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
166. Forgive me for being pro-choice. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #166 |
176. So do I. I'm 100% pro choice. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. My point is that moralistic judgment seems appropriate here. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #179 |
223. A vast array of parenting decisions robs children of their choice. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #223 |
280. That's what being a responsible parent is about |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
157. Add natural childbirth to that list. I still have the scars from |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
222. Ooo, right you are. How could I have forgotten that one? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:30 AM Response to Reply #222 |
253. Uh, oh. You'll never hear the end of it! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #253 |
260. first moment i walk into doctor told him, want epidural |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
172. It's not that parents have to be perfect, |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #172 |
221. I was unclear. See explanation here. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
24. Have you ever known anyone whose had problems from |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I know a lawyer who had a circumcision malpractice case |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
25. Unhappily circumcised |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. ... |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
135. This barbaric tradition cuts your chance of HIV infection in half. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
193. That's a bad argument for western nations. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #135 |
236. So you believe these quacks over this man? |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #236 |
257. Hmmm. What else do these doctors get a sexual kick out of? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #257 |
269. Kind of snotty. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
29. Although I didn't make a scientific study.... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
30. Dunno. |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:33 PM Original message |
LOL... |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
33. Because men are very SENSITIVE when it comes to the penis. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. But many folks with the most vitriol are female |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. In some cases it's because we're moms |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
139. Just more to play with. |
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verse18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. Your right. I think men and women |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Because women aren't immune |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
119. I think it has the MOST to do with the degree to which people identify with the role. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
232. we're vitriolic about FEMALE 'circumcision' and efforts to belittle the damage |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
36. People like cutting each other down this time of year |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
47. No voluntary scalpelling of my baby boys body. I said no way...he can decide for |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
48. I have memories from infancy. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
105. If you do, they're likely confabulated. |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Not so sure about that. |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
134. About infant memory |
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Lurking Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #134 |
143. Cool info! |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:26 AM Response to Reply #134 |
235. More on "vitriol" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. I Got This From Another Board |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I had the "barbaric" wisdom teeth removal procedure! |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. You would have no problem, then, with the equivalent female procedure? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. this is done when the child is 8-10 without |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. It isn't the same. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
237. Oh' but it is the same. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Infant circumcision is almost always done with no anesthetic |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. A Physician Did Mine And It Works Great. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:56 AM Response to Reply #72 |
243. I don't think that has been true for quite a while... |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
299. In most cultures where females are "circumcized" at that age |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Silly Comparison |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. In situations where basic hygeine is difficult, circumcision might be better |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. "male genital mutilation" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. Deleted message |
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
126. OK, trying again without pictures. You made me laugh |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. I Think She Was Referring To A Flaccid Penis |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
283. What a Party Pooper |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
100. It can depend on anatomy |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
182. Washing hands before and after contact with another person |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #182 |
190. Where do I claim that "everything bad has only one cause?" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
303. I understand that this study was designed to account for |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Also from articles questioning results and reason for less HIV transmission |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
197. Infant and small children don't (or shouldn't) need these benefits. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #197 |
281. What young adult thinks they're at risk for HIV? |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
55. In my offbeat way of thinking, |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. Did I miss something? I saw the thread but had no idea it was potential flamebait. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm sure this will piss a few folks off, but here goes |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I tend to agree with you here. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. respectfully i gave to my husband to decide. i agree. and i did n/t |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. I don't think the father has more experience |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Well the father definitely has more experience with *having* a penis. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I don't think either procedure should be done at all. n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. How About In Africa Where Male Circumcision Can Save Lives? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. As long as adults are consenting to the procedure |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. this is a little off the track |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Good point, seabeyond. n/t |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. Yes we make decisions for our kids. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Children Don't Consent To Being Born Either. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. it's also a red herring |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
291. If a mom should have so much input into your son's circumcision |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #291 |
302. Then why do they have mothers sign the consent forms? |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. I agree with you.. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. "Cir'd"....Ok that makes it sound painful. nt |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
117. Oh..sorry..too lazy to type out the whole word. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
160. Seems perfectly reasonable |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. circumcision makes the penis less sensitive... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. I Never Had Or Have That Problem |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. How would you know? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. except, it is really offensive i would ONLY imagine to a male |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I agree to an extent. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. How Graphic Do You Want Me To Get Because I Have Zero Problems In That Area |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Haha good point. There is no urban legend that cut guys last longer because |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. You don't share the only true and correct opinion |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
244. As a woman... |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #244 |
255. There are actually |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #255 |
264. 'Sounds like a lot of work.... |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #78 |
254. Funny that you have |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #254 |
262. JFK and RFK Were My Childhood Heroes |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #262 |
263. It is said |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Fuck sensation. I want another circumcision. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. like going from a turtle-neck to a crew-neck, to a v-neck... |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. I loved my circumcision. I want another one |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
96. Here's why. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Isn't It Possible To Weigh Those Rights? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. You do realize that it is entirely possible |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. There seems to be little, if any, concern for the child's rights. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Of course. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. That's a nice man you've built out of all that straw. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. cant go off what a two day old wants, but we can use all the fathers |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Why do irrevocable elective surgery at that stage, then? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. I'm the one building the strawman? *edit* |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. It's not that the parents are uncaring. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. How else do you explain it? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. What conclusion justifies intersex genital mutilation? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. I don't see how that negates my point one bit. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Again with the strawman. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. But you seem willing to judge the parents anyway. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Then how do you avoid the conclusion? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Except that there are indeed medical benefits |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. It's an elective surgery. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. That's parenting for you. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Elective. Irrevocable. Surgery. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Because when they can it hurts a lot more |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. OK, here's a hypothetical. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Let's add to that hypothetical |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. You're forgetting something. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. But I'm not forgetting that. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #181 |
188. The point is that they shouldn't have the right to do it in the first place. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #188 |
195. The wife would have the right if there were benefits to be gained. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #195 |
199. That's a different situation. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. Your analysis isn't absolute. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. What evidence? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. In this very thread you are participating in |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. Um... infants don't generally have sex. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. Um.. infants grow up. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Is there any medical evidence to support doing it eariler? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Whether or not there's actual evidence |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #164 |
171. If the guardian did what they beleived was in his best interest, then no |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Because the benefits they perceive it brings to the child. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. There's a bit of a difference. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. It's not whether or not I perceive a difference. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #170 |
178. What you're really saying is that you haven't thought about their motivations |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #178 |
183. I'm saying I have no way of knowing what the motivation is. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I'm not saying they considered and disregarded the child's right. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. You can think it. But it doesn't make it so. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. You're right, but I'm not saying "never." |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. That's fine. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. You've yet to explain how that's possible. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. All I've been doing is explaining how it's possible! |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. Why not defer it, then? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #202 |
207. It doesn't indicate a lack of concern at all. |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #202 |
293. The "rush" is that it is a much more complicated and painful |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #142 |
210. Believe What You Want |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
147. I think you are wrong with that statement. Most parents try to do what |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Perhaps not the people who did it in the past. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. I bet you'll find the procedures are done in some communities but not others. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Then perhaps they should do their job. (n/t) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. I wonder how many who subscribe to infant circumcision also support ... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I'm not sure I get where you're going with that. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. interesting. i couldnt make decision on circumcision and |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #113 |
136. I'd be willing to bet |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:05 AM Response to Reply #96 |
245. "an irrevocable decision regarding modifying the body of the child." ROFLMAO!!! |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
101. Because no man wants to hear |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
122. That is so EXACTLY RIGHT. n/t |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #101 |
198. That's the best explanation I've heard |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
103. have you seen the vitriol over other issues that are really not very important? |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. How dare you even suggest |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
118. Well working in a newborn nursery |
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QuestionAll... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
125. I think this is why... |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
138. Welcome to the History of Circumcision pages |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
140. are you people freaking serious? |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
144. It's a dicey subject (n/t) |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
145. Sex is much better for a woman with an uncut man |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #145 |
163. Huh? I haven't heard one woman friend complain about a circumcised |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #163 |
191. from this female, YOU are so right n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #191 |
206. Methinks someone is trying awfully hard to prove a point that |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #206 |
214. it doesnt. i am not even in the battle, but cut or not cut... both are good |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #214 |
220. I'll agree with that |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #163 |
231. maybe you haven't heard that because...... |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #163 |
239. I know of dozens of women who agree with her. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #239 |
252. If there is a "battering ram" effect, then there's a problem that has more |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #252 |
261. i was wondering myself. that feeling has been about cut or not |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #252 |
267. you're confusing forward motion with friction or lack thereof |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #267 |
277. I understand the concept. I just don't think it necessarily applies |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #145 |
196. funny thing is, it WAS originally done en masse to control masturbation! |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
148. Because the botching happened to us. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
154. Easy. Because these threads involve: |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. I do not doubt that a baby can feel pain and it can effect them |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
168. You knowingly start a flame bait thread and ask why will it get flamed! |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
169. Circumcision reduces HIV transmission risk? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. Circumcision Reduces Risk of AIDS, Study Finds |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #169 |
180. I'm inclined to want the read the actual research document... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #180 |
211. Intutitively It Makes Sense... |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. Sure does... |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
173. I have to confess, this is one topic I have never given thought to... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
203. I don't think it's the kind of people should be lecturing OTHER people on, pro or con. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #203 |
209. Agree 100% |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #203 |
213. I Agree And Disgaree |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #213 |
226. Most people who are *very* strongly pro-circumcision |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. having two boys that were circumcised |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #226 |
230. Wow. I was circumcised, and it sure as shit didn't keep me from masturbating pretty much constantly |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #213 |
229. Well, if you want me to point fingers and say "THOSE people are wrong", you're missing the point |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:06 AM Response to Reply #229 |
248. The Only Way You Can Establish That As As A Fact Is |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #248 |
272. If you read my original post again, you'll see that I, too am circumcised |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:30 AM Response to Reply #213 |
240. Actually it does. You like science? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:59 AM Response to Reply #240 |
246. Your Link Is From A Biased Site That Makes Tendentious Arguments |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #246 |
268. So is yours. Any American health organization is under political pressure. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #268 |
270. I Respect Your Decision |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #270 |
275. So do you believe me? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
218. Thank God we're done having children! |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
233. It was done to me as an infant, and I resent it. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #233 |
311. Like they could not contract HIV if they were circumsized. |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
238. Because it operates on the assumption of an inevitable laziness to justify invasive procedure. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:00 AM Response to Reply #238 |
247. Whenever I think that progressives are inherently more intelligent |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:13 AM Response to Reply #247 |
249. What's Odd Is The Irony Of The Anti-Circumcision Proponents |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #249 |
273. There's no irony at all. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #249 |
274. I've heard it reduces it, and I've heard it makes it |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:22 AM Response to Reply #247 |
251. It Reminds Me Of The Global Warming Debate But In Another Direction |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #247 |
284. You dismiss a position based on principle, and yet you see an "intelligence" issue? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:19 AM Response to Reply #238 |
250. Are You Suggesting The HIV Studies In Africa |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #250 |
258. I see that you're insuniating that we don't read the studies |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #258 |
259. I Said It Decreases The Risk Of AIDS |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #250 |
286. You're seriously projecting Africa onto the US? |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #238 |
265. As a "lazy creep," I assure you that I have no interest... |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #265 |
287. You're overlooking that YOUR choice and the choice of the INFANT are not the same. (n/t) |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #287 |
289. The infant has no choice about anything! |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #289 |
294. You're STILL ignoring the infant's choice |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #294 |
296. I'm glad you don't resent your parents.... |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #296 |
297. Au contraire: I'm arguing in favor of people leaving sovereign bodies ALONE. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #297 |
298. What about behaving ethically toward women? |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #298 |
305. Yeah, what about world peace, hunger and global happiness? |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #305 |
309. If you don't know the difference between toes and... |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 03:44 AM Response to Reply #309 |
312. Sadly, your speechlessness speaks volumes... |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:17 AM Response to Reply #312 |
314. I'm just amazed at the energy you are putting into this |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:41 AM Response to Reply #314 |
315. Yet even more lazy assumptions... |
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NV1962 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:06 AM Response to Reply #314 |
316. I didn't see your edit... |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #316 |
317. So sorry I haven't satisfied you.... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
266. If circumcision is so great then... |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #266 |
276. My boys' doctor is in favor of circumcision... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #276 |
278. As I said, There are NO unnecessary body parts |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. As I've said... |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #278 |
288. The appendix would like a word with you. n/t |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #276 |
292. She is, huh? |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Actually, Tahiti....HE is. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #266 |
304. My fiancee gets her MD next year. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #304 |
307. I've always kind of wondered why we don't surgically remove |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
290. Because people are extremists |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
301. I have been happily utilizing the "hide threads" feature |
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dollydew (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
306. Oy |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
308. I don't get worked up over it. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
318. Gut-level, instinctive response: women don't get a vote. |
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