Veto of concealed guns law is upheld (Wisconsin)

At least we got a little good news this week. Thank you governor Doyle and Democrats for your sanity!

Supporters of a proposal to allow hidden handguns are aiming for Gov. Jim Doyle and two Democrats who switched their votes to uphold the governor's veto of the bill in an Assembly vote Tuesday. National Rifle Association lobbyist Darren LaSorte said his group would make unseating Doyle - a Democrat who has twice vetoed concealed carry bills - and passing a new state law its No. 1 goal for the November elections and beyond.

"We have our (national) annual meeting in Milwaukee in May and there's no doubt that Wisconsin, of all the 50 states, is going to be our top priority," LaSorte said. After months of wrangling over the bill that would have overturned the state's 133-year- old ban on concealed guns, lawmakers debated for just minutes before voting 64-34 to override Doyle's veto - two votes short of the two-thirds needed. The vote, which failed after two Democrats who initially voted for the bill refused to oppose Doyle's veto, left Wisconsin as one of the four states in the nation without a concealed carry law.

The bill would have allowed state residents who pass firearms training and get permits to carry concealed weapons in most public places. Exceptions included schools, taverns and police stations. Doyle and the ban's Democratic opponents celebrated the vote, saying it upheld public safety and left legislators free to turn to more important issues for voters.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/top/index.php?ntid=70973

I don't see any good news here at all. The governor is ignoring the will of the people and keeping Wisconsin in the dark ages.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason to celebrate the failure of the legislature to bring some sensible reform to the gun laws of the state.

Chicken Littles win again.

That veto may please the sophisticates in the Upper East Side of Manhattan (where the limousine liberals can hire armed private security), but it will put him in very serious trouble in rural Wisconsin this fall.

Gun control promotes an agenda that makes Democrats look like sissies, and allows Republicans to position themselves as the party of masculinity, muscularity and rough rider, tough guy cowboys.

is a fraud by a right wing racist crackpot funded by the gun lobby....

http://www.whoismaryrosh.com/

There's no reason to allow armed neurotics to roam around in public.

Since when does a free and liberal democratic society presume to "allow" anything other than by guaranteeing no infringment in the Constitution? I can't even begin to enumerate the infinite ways in which human rights and civil liberties could be abridged by the "reason to allow" fallacy. That illogical and patronizing viewpoint is the viewpoint of tyrranies and theocracies everywhere. It takes the figurative posture of placing every single person in prison and then "allowing" bathroom breaks (only with "reason"), movie attendance (only with "reason"), choice of foods (only with "reason"), ... ad infinitum. It's the posture of a arrogant "father" treating everyone like a teen-ager ... taking the default position of disallowing and then demanding the teen-ager get permission slips for every act. It's an appallingly paternalistic paradigm.

(It's like talking to a wall.) :shrug: :eyes:

There's no reason to allow people to dump toxic waste unregulated, or store propane in an unsafe manner, or do any number of things that endanger public safety...including wandering around public places with popguns in their pants because they've got a head full of childish fantasies.

"I can't even begin to enumerate the infinite ways in which human rights and civil liberties could be abridged by the "reason to allow" fallacy."
What makes that absurd sophistry even funnier is that the politicans pushing for this particular bit of idiocy are among those most opposed to human rights and civil liberties.

"It's like talking to a wall."
It's more like listening to NRA horseshit, since that's precisely what you ladled out.

One of us "looney leftists" actually agrees with you!

Uh, yeah, OK...
Ever occur to you that people inclined to commit illegal acts of violence with guns aren't really too terribly concerned about concealed carry laws, either?

I have my permit and I carry a medium frame 9mm pistol with me at almost all times.

I have voted for every Democrat who has run for President since 1968. Am I a right-wing nut case?

I'd like to know as well. Do I need to re-affiliate on my voter registration?

Maybe I've been a right-wing nutcase all along and just never knew it.

These assholes have done too much already to usurp the wishes of the people of all states. Nice to see Doyle and Wisconsin stand firm. Sadly, my state Missouri was run over by these damn bastards.

They are the ones who ultimately have to deal with an armed citizenry. In times like these, we don't need more guns out there.

And for good reason. Sadly though, most states, and the NRA don't give a damn about what the folks in the trenches think on this issue. They just want their precious guns.

When deregulated pistol permits were put as a referendum to the Missouri voters, they rejected it....but the GOP legislature passed it then anyway.

The first time the NRA came a callin', they tried to ram it through the legilature, and were successful however Mel Carnahan in all his wisdom vetoed it. Then the NRA, for the first, and so far as I know, only time tried to take their case to the people with an initiative petition. Spent millions upon millions, plugged the airwaves with commercials urging people to vote for CCW. Yet they were defeated.

And as you say, the NRA waited until after the '00 elections, when the 'Pugs gained control, and rammed it through, despite the Holden veto. Absolutely pathetic, going against the democratic will of the people, and making it into an unfunded mandate to boot. Counties are losing lots of money having to do background checks, safety training, licensing, etc.

Shows you where the NRA's sentiments lie, and it isn't with abiding by the peoples' wishes.

The Republican in Wisconsin who proposed this imbecilic law actually owns a store that sells guns AND liquor...and as I recall several of the Republicans who put it through in Missouri owned gun stores.