regarding Cindy's ejection

I've seen a lot of talk around here about this being a stunt, with arguments both for good or ill. Whether or not you believe it was a stunt can color your opinion, and that is important, IMHO.

Every witness who was there knows what happened. Some who were not there claim to report the truth.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/1/31944/23746">Cindy's account implicitly supports that it was not a stunt.

Just sayin'

Look, she's an intelligent woman so whatever term you want to use for it, she would clearly know that it was at least a "statement"

Purple fingers by the Republicans during last year's SOTU: statement or stunt?

I don't care what the term is, but if purple fingers are permissible, why aren't shirts with numbers? Are only elected officials allowed stunts? Are only pro-W stunts permitted?

just trying to get to the truth.

:toast:

She had been participant in alternative People's State of the Union with Conyers, Woolsey, others. Woolsey gave her ticket. She did not want to attend but felt obligated. After walking up three flights of stairs she was warm and took off her jacket. It was not a stunt. Read her account already . . .

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

I want people to say what they mean and mean what they say. The numbers on her shirt were updated during the day so she was conscious of the shirt and everyone knew the SOTU was that same evening.

Listen, I support the Tshirt...I just don't want any excuses. She did nothing wrong so she shouldn't have to voice any elaborate explanations.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

What Really Happened

By Cindy Sheehan
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Wednesday 01 February 2006

As most of you have probably heard, I was arrested before the State of the Union address last night.

I am speechless with fury at what happened and with grief over what we have lost in our country.

There have been lies from the police and distortions by the press (shocker). So this is what really happened:



http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020106Z.shtml

is an excuse?

You believe the whore media over her?

That's just pathetic.

I agree that she has the right to wear the shirt to the SOTU. I support that but to think an intelligent woman like that was totally clueless that the shirt would garner some kind of attention at the SOTU, well, tough to follow that.

Sorry if I'm a little skeptical of her walking on water.

I don't believe she "walks on water" but I believe her over the pressitutes any day of the week.

Why the Cheney would she lie? And check this out: ever other time she decided to make a statement, she not only thought it out but shared that thinking. She has a track record. So do the media whores.

Believe me, we are on the same side of this fight against theocratic-neocons...they are the real enemy :toast:

:toast:

(promoting unity)

:toast:

:thumbsup:

The following is the first communique from a group calling itself Unitarian Jihad. It was sent to me at The Chronicle via an anonymous spam remailer. I have no idea whether other news organizations have received this communique, and, if so, why they have not chosen to print it. Perhaps they fear starting a panic. I feel strongly that the truth, no matter how alarming, trivial or disgusting, must always be told. I am pleased to report that the words below are at least not disgusting:

Greetings to the Imprisoned Citizens of the United States. We are Unitarian Jihad.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL

:hi:

Like commandeering a fighter jet to land on an aircraft carrier with your crotch in a vise (sorry, I just saw the photo of the "strapped in" Bush again the other day).

Cindy Sheehan acts her conscience. And for that, she deserves our respect, and gratitude.

Thanks, Cindy!

That Bush preaches about spreading Freedom and Democracy in a country that arrests a woman for wearing a friggin t-shirt is the real issue here...

unlike the person who really caused a ruckus, Beverly Young . . .

She was both ejected and arrested. I apologize if it seemed I was belittling her arrest.

her arrest, apparently for just freedom of speech via a t-shirt, is BIG news. Essentially, the jackbooted thugs who dragged her away were proof that we are completely under a NAZI regime. Not that there was much doubt before! If Jefferson, Franklin, and other founding fathers could return ... boooshie would have lots worse to worry about (not that pee-brain worries about anything) than bin Laden.

today alongside Coretta King's. She epitomizes the things the King family has always stood for. How obscene it is that boooshie should open his speech with words about Mrs. King, while his thugs were tossing another woman peaceful protester out of the building and into jail. It is enough to make you weep.

Cindy's tears were real.So was her humiliation and the pain for being jerked around by security.I talked to her at 2 Am east coast time and she was tired ,sore and sounded like she couldnt take much more!!!!
People need to realize that she is doing this for us.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH

I was awake all night.Was frantic last night trying to find Cindy.I even called the arresting sgt and talked to her.Didnt hear from cindy til after 2 am their time and then I was so ashamed of what our government did that I just couldnt sleep.My heart aches for what bush co has done to this country.
Casey died for our freedoms and we have none.
What will it take to get people to wake up.Bush said today that he lived down the road from the gatlin brothers,they were blue collar he was white and they are singers,HE IS the president.This man is beyond insane!!!!He respects no one.
I cant control my hate at this point.

lighter.

My husband and I are in San Francisco. If there is EVER anything we can do, you PM me.

Cindy is not and will never be alone with these m#therf#ckers.

Beth

And a successful one, I might add.

You can believe whatever you want about whether this was or wasn't a stunt. My question though, is do you think it helps to perpetuate that idea. If you do, please explain why. If you don't, why are you doing it. Do you think the facts of her arrest and apparently that this isn't even against House rules are important to get out to the public? If you do, why do you prefer to post your stunt opinion instead of making a few phone calls and writing some emails about the truth.

And this was very well done. I applaud her for it. What are people talking about today?

Strumming fingers, waiting...

If what she wore was NOT against the house rules, then yes, I do believe it's important to bring this to the public's attention. If it was against house rules and she COMPLIED with the request to cover the shirt but was arrested anyway, then yes, I believe it should be brought to the public's attention. But if it IS against house rules and she REFUSED to comply with the request to cover the shirt, well, that's in the news anyway, therefore has been brought to the public's attention. So this line of questioning is irrelevant.

As for perpetuating the notion that it was a stunt, I'm voicing an opinion. Why are we scared of opinions? Especially in regards to the fact that it's my opinion that it was a brilliant maneuver and succeeded better than she possibly could have hoped for.

And the reason you I post my opinion instead of calling someone about it or emailing is because I have a virtual community that could possibly read my post instead of having to call or email my opinion several different times to several different people.

I think I've covered them all.

edit: copy and pasted the "signature line" by accident.

That's my opinion on your post. There are answers to all your "ifs" posted repeatedly, so there's no excuse for you not knowing those answers. It also does no good to post to this community *if* you think an injustice has occurred. Yes, I have contacted all my local media and included a link to the story on the Congressman's wife. *If* you think informing people is as important as you expressing a pointless opinion, then I suggest you get off your duff and do something constructive.

But, irregardless of what I happened to say to Ms. az chela, I'm convinced it was a stunt. But keep fighting the good fight - I respect your enthusiasm.

Post shit, get confronted, accuse the person of stifling your right to post shit. While fighting no fight at all. Bravo!!

you said something I was trying to get at, but couldn't get the right words together.

"You can believe whatever you want about whether this was or wasn't a stunt. My question though, is do you think it helps to perpetuate that idea. If you do, please explain why. If you don't, why are you doing it. Do you think the facts of her arrest and apparently that this isn't even against House rules are important to get out to the public? If you do, why do you prefer to post your stunt opinion instead of making a few phone calls and writing some emails about the truth."

A stunt? To simply wear a shirt with a political message in a government building? That's not a stunt - that's a basic right of every citizen. She was in the chamber by invitation and was not bothering anybody. She was evicted from a government function because of her political beliefs. Shocking.
The People do not have the right to oppose war in our government buildings now.

There is nothing special about the State of the Union speech that requires different rules.

It is legal to wear that shirt anywhere in the USA.

Why was she evicted from the building? She was not creating a disturbance, or bothering anyone in any way. She was evicted because the President does not agree with her political message, which is to end the war.

We are talking about basic rights here. The incident has me asking just how far we have moved towards fascism.