Here's why the "war on terror" is a farce

When Bush first announced his "war on terror" following 9-11, I rejoiced. I thought "finally we're getting back to the days of Reagan, when we didn't take shit from anyone". I envisioned us finally taking action against terrorist bases in places like the Sudan, Syria, Yemen, etc. I figured we'd go after these extremist wahabbi sects in Saudi Arabia. I thought we'd turn up the heat on the IRA, the Basque separatists, and Chechnyan terrorists (in other words, all terrorist groups, not just Al Qaeda). I thought we'd finally get tough with the rogue regimes in Iran and North Korea.

But what do we get instead? A half-hearted effort in Afghanistan, and a full-blown war in Iraq - which really had nothing to do with terrorism except paying suicide bombers in Palestine - but that should have been Israel's problem. Meanwhile, the real terrorists continue to operate with impunity in areas around the globe. Despite all the 'get tough' talk, our borders are no more secure than they were before 9-11. Bush STILL has not enacted the reforms requested by the 9-11 commission.

So next time you hear some neocon talking about the "war on terruh", please bring up these points.

9-11 wasn't worth the sacrifice because the intention wasn't a war on terror, it was a set-up to gain the political capital to invade Iraq (as per PNAC's requisite "catastrophic event").

reopen911.org Also try to find speeches from David Ray Griffin (or is it Griffith?). It's on reopen911.org and other people too I think. I know other people are there. Also, check out the film "Hijacking Castrophe." You can see that one at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info There are a lot of other good films to see there too. I suggest the following:
Loose Change 9/11, The War on Truth, The New Pearl Harbor, Howard Zinn:The myth of American Exceptionlism, Iraq Tony and the Truth, Torture: the Dirty Business, The War Party (about the neocons), The War for Oil, Orwell Rolls in his Grave, Outfoxed, Homeless vets, Losing hearts and minds, The world according to Bush, The Secret Government, Hijacking Castrophe, The myth of the liberal media, The Bush Family Fortunes (about how Bush got into power), Eisenhower Warns America, Exposed: the Carlyle Group, Unprecedented. Also go to http://www.gregpalast.com and watch his BBC broadcast: Iraq's oil. He explains very well about the so-called elections in Iraq and everything that goes on with that. It's a very very eye opening segment. He has some other good segments too. The segment of his is under the menu bar. I know it's a lot but everything I mentioned in my opinion is a must see and has so much information. You can watch the other films too if you wish. This site has some good films too: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/ Of course in the end it's up to you to figure out what's true and what isn't. :)

The only problem is - the more you know, the lonelier it gets...

It's kinda like learning 3-dimensional chess when everyone else is playing checkers.

our civil liberties and line the pockets of his rich cabal.

And it should have been obvious to anyone with a brain when Bush decided to go after Iraq. Hello...there are two known terrorist-sponsoring nations on either side of Iraq!

I wasn't politically motivated but I do remember seeing "shock and awe" on CNN one night and I had the most awful feeling in my stomach. I knew something was wrong even though I wasn't politically active. Of course I'm also an empath and can pick things up easily that someone else might not. I just remember feeling like throwing up. :(

of Reagan? Fight sects you don't like in Saudi Arabia? Iran and North Korea, too? Jesus. You know, I don't think the days of Reagan were good for the world. At least not for the rest of the world to which I belong. :)

Afghanistan a "half-hearted effort"? Life for people there is not easier than before your bombs, on the contrary. A "half-hearted effort"... tell that to the Afghan families who have lost relatives, homes, the means to earn a living.

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And as far as Afghanistan, it is a half-hearted effort. Bin Laden is still free, isn't he? Sure, be bombed the hell out of the Taliban and drove them from power - but how hard was that really to accomplish? We weren't even able to capture the leaders of the Taliban!

Besides - not all anti-terrorist action would have to be done militarily (although I have no problem with taking out actual terrorist bases).

world? Let's rather think of WHY there are terrorists in the first place! I'm German, and I certainly don't want the US to fight anybody at all. That's not the way to help mankind. "A new world order" to correct economic imbalances as the pope just demanded - that's how to help the world.



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The reason they don't like us is because we are there! It's only making things worse and more terrorist's. Before Bush invaded Iraq Al-Quida was only in fifty something countries. Now they're in over sixty. Gee, sure is working eh? I remember reading an article of how a guy lost a sibling by our military in Iraq and he hated Al-Quida and never would have joined them, but now he's more than likely a member because at the point I was reading the article he said he was thinking seriously of joining the group because he wanted revenge.

seriously once again.... illusion. bubba

when Laura went to Afghainstan and she came back and said "oh everything is so fine and dandy!" and than a few days later (if that) after she got back it was reported a woman got gang raped and beaten. :( So nothing is better there. Afghainstan was a pure joke. There isn't even enough proof to pin that BinLadin (if you buy the official story of course) was there. Go to informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film "Loose Change."

if I didn't mention it check out this 9/11 "theory": http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm It's from two European politicians who are challenging the official story.

"finally we're getting back to the days of Reagan, when we didn't take shit from anyone"

Like pulling out of Beirut after terrorists bomb our Marine barracks there? (And then invading Grenada for good measure)
Or selling weapons to a nation known for harboring and sponsoring terrorists, not to mention holding a good number of our citizens hostage
for over a year?

Those "days of Reagan, when we didn't take shit from anyone"?

No thank you. Reagan's policies are a catalyst to what happened on 9/11. And even if he did take action against terrorist bases in various countries, the very fact that
people in his administration sold weapons to terrorist-supporting countries makes any action Reagan took against terrorism null and void. Especially when Pappy Bush
pardoned them all on Christmas Eve, 1992.

Not to mention that Iraq was a "good buddy" of the United States in the 80's...

Again, no thank you. I'd like to stay away from The Days of Reagan™.

I hesitated to even put that phrase in my post (in fact it wasn't even in the original post). I remember how we went after Libya in the aftermath of some terrorist attack in the mid-80s. But you're right about the other stuff, we actually helped create the monster we're fighting today - which is one more reason getting involved in Iraq was a huge mistake. Saddam may have been a bully, but he was a great buffer against fanatical Islamic fundamentalism in the region. Now that they have "free" elections, it looks like they've voted in a carbon copy of Iran.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but in retrospect, I personally believe Reagan didn't do much against terrorism.
And I certainly didn't study enough about Lybia to understand what went on (although Gadaffi's "line of death" was extremely silly)

But I understand where you're coming from. And we have created, I believe, another monster that someone 10 or 20 years down the road will have
to deal with. I only hope that we can turn it around someday...

It was the whole "don't fuck with us" image. It's simply amazing, how Bush has managed to take whatever respect the United States had, and all the goodwill we had after 9-11, and throw it all down the drain.

9/11 wasn't for other people. It was for us. To change public opinion for their PNAC plans. They wanted more military and agression especially in the mid east and in Iraq. Why else does Bush mention 9/11 so much? For us. He gets his power from this country. Not others.

me me me.... take care of me, and screw everyone else. let corporation be free to do as they please and make it buck, screw the rest of the people. have not control or regulation on corp or govt and watch the screw the american people. be selfish, dont think of the other. not to mention the whole religious slant of aids, well, it is killing those people. they are sinners anyway

i dont have a lot of respect for the man in anyway

not to mentionhis preaching follow law as he broke it with iran contra and then pretended to be asleep in alll the meetings he had implementing iran contra

I think I agree with seabeyond.


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is because the Shi'ite group is the most populated in Iraq and they are very religious group of people. Sure, Saddam could've been a jerk to people but Iraq was better off. Women could go to schools and universities and become doctor's and students go to school and all sorts of religions could worship from Christians to Muslims and they never bothered each other. Now you have an Islamic theocracy that will align with Iran. Way to go Georgie! It's all about oil and getting the raw resource pure and simple. Before Bush invaded Saddam was going to go the Euro dollars which would've made it more expensive for us to buy his oil. And than bamb. Look at where we are now. So is it worth it?

The Senate overwhelmingly bipartisanly said to stop dealing with Saddam Hussein. When the bill got to Reagan he vetoed it. Gee, now I wonder why.

"I did not know that."
Thank you.

I was merely trying to point out the fact that Bushie is merely giving lip-service to fighing terrorism, but really hasn't done a damned thing to try to put a dent in it. I know full well all the dirty things that Reagan did (which still don't come even close to what Bush is doing), that's why I was very hesitant to put that sentence in there.

Instead of going after terrorist training camps and bases, Bush has given us this baloney that Saddam was a direct threat to the US, that he had to be taken out first. Meanwhile, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are regrouping, terrorism is spreading, and Bush has done nothing to make us any safer.