Why are so many DUers pissed at Cindy Sheehan today?

Because the Democrats are in power!

:woohoo:

Yes, Democrats are now (more) legitimate targets for the people who throw the truth around.

And the truth doesn't necessarily fall on the Democratic Party line -- not for some.

So, what do Party liners do? They say she's overplayed her hand; she's crossed the line; she's overstaying her fifteen minutes of fame; she's just an embarrassment; she's only looking to make a profit. Nobody's listening to her anymore!

But would these people really be posting all of this crap about Cindy if they believed it to be true? No. That wouldn't make sense.

They're posting this crap because Cindy's truth is hitting them right in the fucking face, causing blood to rain down on their brand new power shoes.

Come on, let some brain cells work. As much as some worship the ground Cindy Sheehan walks on around here...there are some people who just plain disagree with her on some issues and some of her tactics.

It's that simple. It sounds to me like many here at DU got their undies in a bunch because we dare to not agree with her.

Get a grip. :rofl:

for ending the war?

I'd love to hear them.

I don't get why it's SO important that I have to agree or applaud everything Cindy Sheehan says or does.

I was just wondering what other ideas you may have. The important thing is to end the war; arguing about how to do that is a waste of time.

That's all. Some people prefer to take that to mean I'm a repuke apologist who secretly supports the war and am in bed with Halliburton.

I use the ballot box, write LTTE's, make phone calls and get pointers from DU. This place has made me more politically active than I have ever been in my life. Now, some think that what I've done doesn't mean much and maybe it doesn't. I don't know. All I know is that if I don't do something I couldn't look at myself in the mirror.

I just don't agree with this one action Cindy Sheehan took. That's all.

Or showing up at the SOTU?

You can't possibly have a problem with her standing up today and saying something?

As much as that shocks and dismays you and others, I didn't agree with her actions today. I know, it's horrifying that I actually even spoke up about it.

Shocking, isn't it.

:eyes:

;)

Don't you know that kind of talk is just crazy.... :sarcasm:


MZr7

:rofl:

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Disagree folks and you get accused of being lazy, cowardly and giving out free blowjobs! You get accused of investing in war profiteering companies and selling your souls over the blood of soldiers!

Yes, DU! For daring to voice your disagreement these are the labels you get!

Never mind it's about the same exact prize the repukes hand over when others speak out, too.

the opportunity to train the Ignore filters. This way, we don't have to bother seeking out who's not capable of holding a conversation without name calling, ad hominems, or demagoguery.


>"But you probably invested in Halliburton and all the other smart buys, so dead soldiers and Iraqi kids with their arms burned off is no big deal to you"?

There's my first click of this thread...

What a disgusting attitude, I expect that shit from conservatives...

She's holding the trangulators' feet to the fire.

Hooray for her!

:yourock:

Some of the Cindy trashing comments I've read by DLC rah rahs have made me feel as if I could vomit!

The craven Congressional "Democratic" are all about giving Bush enough rope to hang himself. However, this means that a great deal of blood and treasure will be spent to no good end.

We need adult supervision - not a cool fundraising opportunity for the DLC.

I trust Nancy, Harry and Howard Dean to do right. But politics is still politics. Deal with it.

I wouldn't say I'm in middle age yet, but I'm old enough to have seen this before.

Cindy Sheehan changed a lot of people's minds. I am friends with a lot of progressives like myself, but I know a lot of non-political, normal, every day people who talked about Cindy when she was first in the news and most of them were sympathetic to her, even conservative-leaning people, despite Faux News and all trying to turn people against her.

In the DLCer mind, she has done the job of getting them into power, and before the gavel comes down on the Democratic congress being sworn in, the DLCers cast her aside like yesterday's garbage.

No, I haven't turned off the news in the past few years. She went to Venezuela, good. The US government is pouring money down there into their political opposition, and I oppose that too. When Al Gore and Clinton took a little money from a Chinese businessman, the whole media flipped out. If it's not good here, it's not good there.

Not the first time I've seen this. The Sheehan's etc. are what bring moderates into the party, despite the DLCers painting her as "extreme". If I believed all the Fox News lies I'd think she was "extreme" too.

Imagine these rich Wall Street DLC bozos painting Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan as out of touch with Middle America! Hey, Wall Street "liberal" millionaires - working class Midwesterners and Westerners like them ARE Middle America, you Wall Street DLC millionaire idiots are who is out of touch with America.

Cindy has no party loyalty. So if anyone thought she would just hush and go away once the Dems took the majority, that is NOT going to happen. Her agenda is 100% PEACE. Whatever it takes to end the war, she will do. If that means getting in Dems' faces, she will gladly do so.

Go Cindy!!

:yourock:

sh*t.

I posted this truth - the way that a lot of people feel, that the woman has basically lost it and isn't doing US, the U.S., or the "cause" much - if any good, any more.

No one's bashing you. I don't even think people were "bashing" her - just gently suggesting she rachet it down a notch (and get taken a bit more seriously rather than the way JQPublic sees her now, which is - well you know how JQP sees her - whether you admit it or not. I don't see her quite that way - but . . . well, I just don't think she's helping much anymore.

That's MY opinion - and I don't have any power. I'm not a "party liner". I'm just a regular old mom and - I think - a fairly typical Du'er. I'm pretty far left on some things, leftish on most things, in the middle on a few others, and maybe even nudging rightish on one or two (minor issues).

We don't all have to agree. You don't have to take it "personally" that some people don't like what she did. What are you, related or something?

for ending the war?

gets me dismissed out of hand.

I was in Crawford in August of 2005. 12,000 people who came then to support Cindy were not dismissing her.

she had my full support then, too.

Since then? Let's just say I don't think she's made the best choices in wielding her opportunity to affect change.

Look around DU, there are plenty of people ON HERE who are questioning here. If "we're" doing it, what do you think the "average person" is doing, eh?

I know her and I have been trying to get her to come speak in my city for nearly a year now but her schedule is PACKED. Doesn't seem like she would be booked solid for months if she didn't have an awful lot of support.

I was also back in Crawford both at Easter and in August 2006. There were thousands there supporting Cindy and her work.

In November, Cindy was invited to Korea by the Korean govt. They recognized her as the leader of the peace movement.

Don't fall for the media hype. Cindy is still a very respected leader in the peace movement.

That's interesting. I don't recall anyone ever jockeying for the title of Peace Queen, or even any kind of a selection process. I wasn't aware either that we had coalesced into some sort of single movement, behind any one strategy, or with one voice. I wasn't aware she was to speak for the rest of us at all.

I wonder where they got their information, or what Korea's recommendation actually means in practical terms.

Get zero respect from me. Zero. Credibility? None.

A Savvy politician would have stood there and let her talk, and tried to compromise and get a dialog going...
Promise to meet with her and hear her full complaint.

But instead... "Runaway!!!"

oh yeah and welcome to ignore it's fun! zero respect = ignore. buh bye hater.

inappropriately are generally discredited and eventually ignored.

Before all this I still sort of liked Cindy - before the continual attacks by her rabid supporters started driving me into the 'good god get her off the stage' camp.

Just because I don't worship her every move, word, and deed, doesn't mean I'm not anti-war, doesn't mean I'm not a good person, doesn't mean I'm not a good Democrat. Just because there are some people who believe she "speaks for all of 'us'" doesn't make it so.

Just because she lost a son in the war doesn't make her any better, doesn't make her any more qualified, doesn't make her some automatic spokesperson for the "cause. A lot of people have lost children, wives, husbands, brothers and sisters in the war. I feel as sorry for them as I do her. (And that includes Republicans and Iraqis and anyone else who lost a loved one.) Doesn't mean I have to check my opinion and my intellect at the door, either.

FYI a "Savvy protestor" would have arranged to have a meeting or hold a large enough protest (wow. 70 people.... ) to make a difference. Why not coordinate something big enough to really garner attention? What about the 27th? Why the rush??? Why not make a REAL impact instead of coming off looking like some half-baked crackpot that people (the ones WITH the power to truly do something) will increasingly dismiss. They will start to run when they see her coming.

I know I'm becoming increasingly jaded - not only with her, but with those who want to eat their own just because they happen to disagree with you/her.


And I could give a rat's ass if you "respect me" or not.

The smartest thing Emanuel could have done (I heard Rahm Emanuel was up there) was to say, "Come on up. Let's dialog for a few minutes or so (or set up an appt., etc.)!"

and if that takes disrupting a meeting, so be it.

ok.

now doesn't it?

a dozen people disrupting a press conference isn't going to cause anything to change.

if you want to borrow $5.

Image and presentation are as important as message. She put a hit on her own image and cheapened a first impression of the Dems first day on the job. She's working cross purposes with herself and is targeting the wrong Party. We need to give the Majority a chance to do their job before we pull stunts that could alienate the allies. We've got enough trouble with MSM casting our message in a bad light without making it easy for them to make us look like whack jobs. Who's more ready and more energized to take on the Iraq War problem now that Cindy has made her splash?

Great cause. Poor form. Poor timing.

Bush accountable for murdering her son is off the table.

Great cause. Any form. Any time.

The Pukes made sure of that before they left town. * already has his war money.

Perhaps someone should let Ms. Sheehan know that.

Bake

The original Conyers’ REPORT as he originally POSTED IT.
It was 350 pages long.

He DEMANDED IMPEACHMENT listing all the reasons.
He APPEALED TO THE PEOPLE for HELP, both financial,

But NOW he has removed the entire report .... REMOVED IT .... from his website, his Congressional Website! Having told us all it was to be
published as a BOOK and soliciting $60 DONATIONS he suddenly "DISAPPEARS" the ENTIRE TEXT and claims there was a "conspiracy"
to misrepresent his views! <>Astounding. But so common these days.... people are DISAPPEARED just as his document has been DISAPPEARED!

Instead of noticing or protesting, we are all being "instructed" that we should be happy for the "democratic" sweep and pleased that Pelosi, Conyers
et. al are NOT going to try to impeach a "lame duck" President because there are more important "fish to fry". Cute. However, this was NEVER
about a "fish fry" .... the USA is completely falling apart with all our constitutional rights signed away,even habeas corpus!

Very serious CRIMES have been committed by this administration, but NOT without the bend-over-backwards and complete acquiescence of
the democratic party. I am astonished at this media-effective erasure of reality .... at Conyer's blatant DENIAL that he ever wrote a scathing 350
page report MADE PUBLIC and outlining the serious reasons behind his call for impeachment. The Corporately controlled Media in this country
excuse such lying by referring to the "BLAME GAME" as outdated. It is NOT!

IRAQ

Guilt is real, Blame is real, and America is GUILTY of virtual genocide against the people of Iraq, GUILTY of illegally and immorally
INVADING and RAPING that Nation and of murdering its citizens, GUILTY of lacing its soil and water with hundreds of thousands of pounds
of DEPLETED URANIUM. This will NOT GO AWAY! It will be there causing cancers and birth deformities for literally THOUSANDS of years
and IT CANNOT BE 'CLEANED UP' !

Nor will we Americans be able to "recall" the "Patriot Act" nor the "Military Commissions Act" nor any of the Supreme Court Judges, nor Alberto
Gonzales because none of our Senators nor Congresspersons will vote against their own financial security. Plain & simple. Money runs America,
NOT Americans who have suddenly "awakened" ... this "awakening" is SCRIPTED, part of the scenario, like an "entracte" between acts in an
opera.

or just taking the opportunity to pontificate?

I am not asking you a question, but btw since when is posting an opinion on a discussion board pontificating?

with "FAR LEFT? WHAT?" -

which I presumed was a reference to my post wherein I mentioned I was "far left" in some respects - and I opened the post to a bunch of

disjointed yelling and ranting about this, that, and the other - that had absolutely NO BEARING on anything else.

So I gather you're new here?

Why are you here? What brought you?

edit to add - why so little information about yourself, Lucky?

So little information about myself? LMAO, maybe I don't want to get thrown off a building. I live in the USA in 2007, you know.

Lucky.

right fucking fed up, and now hearing that boob in the WH talking about sending even more troops into the bloody fucking fray, ignoring the advice of everyone else and ignoring the voice and expressed wishes of the american populace and electorate doncha think JQ is feeling pretty damned pissed off right about now? CINDY SHEEHAN IS JQ PUBLC!

Is that too difficult a concept for some people to wrap their heads around?

Apparantly it is.

A little open-mindedness goes a long way you know...

and not allowing them their right to talk. :eyes:

but not okay if she flirts with the absolute minimum standard of civil disobedience?

I don't agree with today's tactic. I think it's counterproductive and makes her look bad. IMO, it served no useful purpose since the dems haven't even gotten out of the starting gate.

to prove how useful her tactics are.

I don't. The war continues and people keep dying. IMO, the longer she continues with these methods, the more people will label her as loony and she will become further irrelevant to this cause. I've believed for a long time that her breaking away from Goldstar Mom's did her a lot of harm. That could have been a strong political force in DC, IMO.

Gold Star Mothers and Cindy. Is there an article about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Star_Families_for_Peace

It's actually Gold Star Families For Peace. It's really a good organization.

That's sure news to me since I just yesterday got an email from them that included her latest blog entry. And I got another email from them inviting me to join GSFP AND Cindy in DC this week.

I thought she had since she's allied herself so closely to Code Pink. Didn't realize my mistake until I read up. Sorry about that. :blush:

and she is also a Code Pink member and works closely with Veterans for Peace as well.

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should have a chance instead of being dumped on immediately, that's my gripe.

big deal.

She is DOING what we are all cowards to do.

She is a reluctant hero in nation full of hypocrites and liars.

When you flip a coin... what do you see, heads or tails?

Cindy sees only the coin.

Maybe she needs to see beyond her own pain and suffering. Maybe she needs to take the long view. Maybe she needs to understand that acting on the fringe gets you treated like you're on the fringe and your message gets LOST.

That's why she is doing what she is doing. Her goal is to prevent any other moms from dealing with the pain she has experienced. She doesn't want anyone else to lose their loved ones in this illegal war. If she couldn't see beyond her own pain, she wouldn't be so pro-active about ending the war.

I just don't agree with her methodology.

What would YOU do? Do you have a better idea?

I was wondering what you WOULD do to end the war.

the notoriety of Ms. Sheehan. I'm not god.

I think she's done some good, I just think some of her protests are questionable. If I were in her position, I think I'd be a little more judicious in my actions.

It's a strawman argument anyway, p2bl.

sheesh. can you not connect the dots?.

but it doesn't really matter. You'll believe what you want to believe.

You applaude audacious behaviour. I do, too - - - sometimes.

Sometimes it's appropriate; sometimes it isn't.

:shrug:

I just don't see why you people are getting SOOOOOOO angry that some of us aren't worshipping her every move, word, and deed.

And questioning her, or disagreeing with her, or disliking something she does - doesn't make me a Republican, a freeper, a DNC'er, or an Iraq war-supporter.

name calling etc.
Well that post was also worth shit! LOL.

But why bother? You wouldn't listen.

You're too busy kneeling.

cindy wouldn't be in the position she's in unless she engaged in some raucous anti war protest behaviour... you proposed somehow getting there, in her position, by what was it you do again, making phonecalls, writing letters to the editor? not happening for you.
that's like saying, if i were warren buffet, i wouldn;t have wasted my time on all that investment shit.... LOL. funny, that.

but again, thanks for resorting to insults instead of making a point about cindy, or me, or anything really.
:hi:

but you can somehow read my mind?

that's pretty funny.

To be perfectly blunt, what I meant in my original remark about someone 'in her position' - was as a mother who lost a son in the war.

okay, keep digging that hole for yourself... i'm sure you know better than cindy how to deal with the tragedy!

keep trying to put words in my mouth "betty".

Not quieter. Smarter.

and have never organized a protest or lost a child.
alrightly then. as i said before. good luck with that!

It is very important for our representatives to know that we expect them to end the war, now, as soon as possible. This is the platform on which many of them ran and we have a right to confront them, especially the DLC, to remind them of what we expect of them.

Just because they are democrats, we do not need to handle them with kid gloves. Saying we cannot interrupt their conferences to state that we are opposed to wasting any more innocent lives, both ours and Iraqis is ridiculous. We all complain about the imperial presidency, lets stop acting like all democratic politicians are also above reproach. We need to keep them grounded.

First, I will note that many agree with Sheehan's message of immediate withdrawal, but opposed her on tactical (not strategic) grounds.

HOWEVER, many seem now to be in the mood to ratchet down political confrontation and promote "Democratic unity" above all else. What is crucial is one thing: seizing and wielding political power in the service of a progressive agenda. Creating public opinion against the occupation helps doing just this. We must not allow the Democratic national elites to put the genie back in the bottle. We want results on Iraq, and Democrats must use all the tools at their disposal to get them.

and we are never leaving Iraq which is why we have built permanent bases. The cell phone video of Saddam was released by design to inflame and to increase violence in Iraq and hopefully it will spill across the boarder into Iraq. The USA will roll across the sands of Arabia and spill blood until every last drop of oil is gone, that is what is going to happen and Pelosi, Feinstein, Conyers and all will assist as partners in crime. Both parties are exactly the same, real candidates are destroyed by the media before they even get started. We live in a fascist state, with Exxon, Disney, Citibank and Burger King as our rulers. This is all a waste of time.

going to go down kicking and screaming.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Then why are you here?

People say it's the "tactics." BUt I'm not buying it.

Cindy Speaks the TRUTH to POWER!!!

No matter WHO is in POWER!!!!

And the TRUTH about this ILLEGAL and IMMORAL WAR OF AGGRESSION is this:

It MUST STOP!!

NOW!!!

NO MORE LIVES LOST BECAUSE OF A MADMAN!!!

:hi:




People aren't accustomed to HEARING anyone speak "truth to power" !!!!!!!!

The picture? The tent?

LOL

Gold Star Families and MFSO and the Crawford Peace House put those signs up.

BTW, what are YOU doing to help end the war?

I erected tents, signs, and crosses at Camp Casey. I like to think that helped the effort to end the war.

you think Cindy is crazy? I am not following you here.

That :sarcasm: symbol comes in kinda handy.

Just sayin . . . :hi:

But she has all my support.

Fuck! How many others are speaking out against this unjust war?

Her son DIED there. So what if she crosses that 'fine line' between protest and civil disobedience.She has the right to say and do whatever she wants.

I say "bravo" to Ms. Sheehan. What love she must have in her heart to have motivated her to demand answers from Bush. For Casey. For other mothers & fathers. For us. She's a true heroine to me.

Because she hurts the party instead of helping it. She has her reasons and motivations for what she does and that is fine. Her antics have grown stale. They are non-effective except for her own personal 15 minutes which left about 10 months ago. I hope for her case she stops being used.

She only cares about getting the troops out of harm's way.

But that doesn't mean a whole lot. I could say I wanted the troops out of harm's way and wanted them locked up in secure cells. The problem is her relevance to the discussion and this party is long past gone.

We should be there!

:holyfukkinshit: BuyingThyme :yourock:

(and Cindy too)


#5!

I heard a piece on NPR about her today on the drive home from work and I heard her being interviewed and I found that the sound of her voice was like nails on a blackboard to me.

I would have to say I respect Cindy Sheehan for what she's doing, but I think that her tactics make her message less effective to the masses (i.e. the sheeple who need to hear and understand it).

I believe she is doing what she thinks is right, but I think she lets her emotions boil over and blur her message. She lost her son, and she's mad as hell...I understand that and god only knows how I would react under the same circumstances.

She's singing to the choir with her message when it comes to me, but when I turn her off mid-interview because I can't stand to listen to her for one more sentence, I can't imagine the effect she has on the middle-American sheeple.

Her message is spot on, her tactics are unpolished.

frikkin chess with politics.

In other words... same s#%* different day.

It'll soon pass. Just a gas bubble.

DLC enabler who siced Carville on Howard Dean. This isn't Cindy vs Democrats. This is Cindy vs pure scum.

I still say they don't deserve to be targets til they've actually done something.

tell them what to do.

If they don't do it, you fire them.

Democracy!

first. x(

But I'm thinking our vigilance should be eternal.

:thumbsup:

That is not why we elected them. At least as I have read, over 80% of the country is not for an immediate withdrawal.

It sure doesn't agree with anything I have read.

google 2006 exit polls

and only 36% support the war. This poll was taken in August.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/09/iraq.poll/

Sheeeit. They are not even IN power yet. Cut them some slack.

Cindy Sheehan is doing what most of use don't have the courage to do, myself included. I can vote and sign petitions all day long, but Cindy has gotten into the politician's faces and refuses to back down. How many of us are willing to do that? Cindy is the personification of the voter's will and she is reminding the Democrats of what we elected them to do.

How about waiting until the Democrats are at least sworn in before she tries to renew her 15 minutes of fame card?

and of those who find excuses to excuse it.

Either you follow the Cult of Cindy, or you are for murder. :eyes:

I guess it's impossible to be 100% against the war, and think that Cindy Sheehan revels at the chance to get in front of a TV camera.

... will take her seriously now. :eyes:

and she is not going to shut up either. If they want her to leave them alone, they need to end the war.

I voted for the Democrats to take control of Congress, and TODAY, just TODAY, I wanted to hear what they had to say on the eve of their taking power after twelve years.

But she decided that I should not be allowed to hear the people I voted for.

That's why.

who were outlining some of their reform plans for the opening of Congress. Due to her shouting, they were forced to disband the news conference and stop communicating with the people who voted them into power.

She effectively made the decision for all of us that we should not be able to hear what they had to say today.

I'd have preferred to hear about all the OTHER issues facing the country. Even assuming the war were to end with a snap of the fingers, there's still a thousand other issues. How many die each day because of a lack of health coverage or crushing poverty? How many WOT detainees get abused? What did they plan to do about the minimum wage (e.g. raised to what)?

I'd like to know what they were going to do about that too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3032647

While some used the thread to respectfully disagree with Cindy others were not so kind. I'm pretty sure it's how it blew up into take sides for Cindy day. I know I was fine until I saw the words "crackpot" "crazy" and asinine spectacle" in that thread. Thats when I started my support thread. I ended up debating in that thread as well until someone came along with the thread called "Cindy is the Bev Harris of the Iraq war" claiming she was in it for the money and attention. That pretty much made my point for me, that people were not just debating but getting downright nasty. I feel bad for some people who have a respectful dissagreement with her tactics, they got caught in the middle of a flame war.

I might not agree with all of Cindy's tactics, but she is no Bev Harris.

I applaud Cindy Sheehan for her efforts, and I support her cause. But, I do think people who are scratching their heads at her choice to disrupt this particular meeting may have a bit of a point. I'm not real sure how I feel about it, myself. People who are using this as just another excuse to viciously attack her are wrong, but I think DUers who are attacking anyone who isn't just as enthusiastic about this particular incident and happen to disagree with her choice and timing are also wrong.

a smashing success.

if you like people being censored and denied the right to speak to their constituents.

but we live in a society that values free speech. Cindy today took that from us. It is NOT RIGHT. I repeat. What she did today was majorly FUCKED UP.

and Rahm Emanuel and others today were denied free speech by Cindy Sheehan et al.

She preemptively made the decision for all of us that we were not allowed to hear what our elected leaders had to say.

I think you somehow got Cindy and the Government mixed up.

is constitutionally protected. Free speech is also a cultural norm of our society. No where did I posit that she did anything unconstitutional. I am positing that she symbolically disenfranchised the tens of millions of Americans who voted to put the Democrats in power in Congress for many different and varied reasons. She decided, all by herself, that those people were not allowed to hear their congressional representatives today. She made the unilateral decision to deny the constituents their right to freely hear the people they had put in power.

and disrupted Rahm's news conference with her, then you are just as wrong as she is.

You do realize she wasn't there all by herself, right?

That post is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Here's a thought for you: EVERY protest is about making a decision to disrupt things, to throw a wrench into the cogs of the machine in some way.

I think she's afraid that after the Shrub makes his "surge" announcement that the Dems in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" will release the funds to finance the surge. It will only be a few days before we find out. The Dems were elected to put an end to this madness ASAP, every day that's wasted is a few more lives that are wasted. I believe that's how she see's it. She still operates from a place of enormous pain and emptiness, the death of a child, especially for a woman, takes years to come to terms with, and while most of us operate from anger she operates from pain. This is why some people can support her cause and not her tactics, they are coming at it from a different perspective. Either way, many things that were said on both sides of the issue were uncalled for. Just another day on DU...

I definitely think she had her well thought out reasons for what she did, and felt strongly that it was vital to the cause to end the war. A cause I'm fully behind, even if I'm not sure I agree with her on this incident. I don't think it will damage our chances in '08, or anything, so I'm not all that worked up about it. This is a typical DU flamewar. A tempest in a teapot.

listing the names of Dem reps who are are backing down from their promise to end the war. I saw one of them on Hardball yesterday. So I think that is why Cindy is making so much noise now.

have enabled the darkness).

Are we now supposed to protect power at all costs?

...hypocrisy be damned...? :shrug:

Those of us who don't agree with Cindy's tactics are war loving monsters, DLC sheep. We want to see thousands more Iraqis die. We want American troops to die and be horribly maimed. Yep. That's just got to be it. At least according to your black and white little brain.

Leave her alone!

She wants us to keep discussing the war, and the people who make it happen.

...that it can be painful to be reminded that that the sorry state of the nation wasn't magically fixed this morning. The Republicans coasted for years, so it is understandable that so many of us would like to do the same.

Ms. Sheehan reminds us of the blood that on all our hands. That's inconvenient.

for saying this better than I ever could.

Sometimes the reactionary BS around here gets to me.

Cindy is a true patriot.

:hi:

I doubt they even understand the Constitution or what Democracy is all about. :puke:

Have any other slick generalizations you'd like to make? Let's get them out while we've still got time today.

off-topic.

Peace to you Cindy.