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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:52 AM
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I understand why Cindy Sheehan did what she did yesterday
I read my emails after reading about her action here on DU yesterday afternoon. In a nutshell, what happened is that too many Dem reps accepted help from the peace community in the November elections. And since the election, some of those reps have decided NOT to work at ending the war in Iraq. I had several emails from various groups (not just Cindy's groups) reporting various legislators have changed their mind about Iraq and asking peace activists to contact certain legislators reminding them of their campaign promises to end the war.

I know that the vast majority of the people in the peace groups I work with were also very active on at least one campaign. We made up a good portion of the worker bees. So the candidates who are now going back on what they promised should not be surprised that the peace community is reminding them of what our #1 issue is. They admired our passion when we helped them get elected; this action yesterday should not have come as a shock to them. And the reps who have gone back on their word are going to have to justify that as well. I honestly believe that had that not happened, the Dems news conference yesterday would not have been disrupted.

I also think the talk of cooperating with the republicans is upsetting to many peace activists, (as well as a lot of DUers, based on what I have read here). Here is a quote from Cindy I found in an article about yesterday's events:

"We didn't put you in power to work with the people that have been murdering hundreds of thousands of people since they have been in power"

Now does this mean I agree with what Cindy did yesterday? No. But I do understand WHY.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:54 AM
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1. Could you name some who have changed their minds since election?
About Iraq? Thanks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:01 PM
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9. Wasserman Shultz from Florida
is the main one in most of the emails I got.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:29 PM
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18. Is that from an email from Cindy Sheehan?
About Wasserman Schultz?

What is her stance now?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:00 PM
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20. It was from Code Pink
It said she had changed her stance about withdrawing from Iraq and asked all the recipients to contact her.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 11:27 AM
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34. Isn't she the one who invited Cindy to the
last SOTU address?
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:01 PM
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11. That would be a great deal of help in judging their actions.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:54 AM
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2. what did she do yesterday?
:shrug:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:57 AM
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6. She interrupted a Dem press conference to the point where it had tobe shut down.
I can't say i disagree with what she was trying to do but she didn't do it to Republicans.

THAT BOTHERS ME.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:00 PM
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8. I wouldn't worry about it too much
Thank you for the update.

As long as the Dems are just a little less evil then the pukes they replace, then we win. This is all we can expect.

I hope all is well with you and your family.

Peace and low stress.

God Bless the Peacemakers!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:01 PM
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10. AMEN!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:03 PM
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13. She didn't do it to Republicans?
Only because the republicans would have stopped her at the door. She wasn't given the chance.

I've got no problem with insisting that our representatives be held to account, whichever party they belong to.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:04 PM
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15. But see...that's what I mean...they didn't shut the door in their face and they
shut it down. Doesn't seem fair.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:57 AM
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7. This:
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:55 AM
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3. I agree with what she did
and it should happen every single day to the Democrats until we are out of Iraq.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:56 AM
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5. Why wasn't it done to the Republicans?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:02 PM
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12. They tried
The republicans would not allow a group of peace activists anywhere near their press conferences.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:03 PM
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14. OK and the Dem's usher them in and they shut a PC down on the first go-round?
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 12:03 PM by xultar
Doesn't seem fair.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:17 PM
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16. maybe the dems should learn a lesson from that
They made promises to the peace activists then allowed them into the press conference in what I assume is a hope that the peace activists can be used as props (where they are not gonna talk about ending the war but increasing minimum wage and passing ethic laws).

Its like when Bill Clinton used the gay community to say change is coming then he passed dont ask dont tell and DOMA in the 90s.

The lesson learned is if you are gonna recruit a sect of your party, then hold true to your promises.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:25 PM
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17. Good explanation
and a great analogy.

Thanks.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 07:30 PM
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32. Why didn't she ask for a meeting?
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 07:32 PM by Patsy Stone
Was this her first attempt at getting the Dems attention? If so, perhaps it's out of habit, or because she's used to being turned down, but she should know you catch more flies with honey. It's a new Congress, so perhaps it's time for a change in tactics?

I know where she's coming from, and I know her actions are based on her horrible loss in addition her courage when it comes to standing up and speaking truth to power, but, the reality is, she at least tried to meet with the Repubs before they turned her away.

Giving the Dems the opportunity to hear her out in a more refined setting would have sent a much stronger message about the Dems taking the time to listen (and if they didn't, well that's an even bigger story), and it would have provided her with much better Photo-Ops to get her message out.

My .02. Flame away.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:23 PM
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25. So the Democratic Party can either try to stop the war or stop inviting peace activists
It's up to the party
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:55 AM
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4. Who are the reps that acccepted help and then turned their backs on Peace groups?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:46 PM
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19. Why don't you agree?
I agree. I think it went swimmingly. I hope to see much, much more of this. I hope something similar happens today, and every day until this ends.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:02 PM
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21. I didn't say I didn't agree
I was just trying to explain WHY I believe they disrupted the press conference yesterday. I was trying to keep my opinion about the action out of what I wrote. I didn't think that was important. Sorry if I was not clear enough.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:06 PM
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22. I see.
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:20 PM
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23. Don't take our votes for granted.
That was the meaning of her actions. The silent are ignored.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:21 PM
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24. If the legislators do what they should do, they won't have any problems
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:24 PM
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26. That sounds like a line from The Godfather.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:25 PM
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27. Well they are the people's politicians, so yeah we should have such authority over them
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:27 PM
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28. We should make them an offer they can't refuse.
:hi:
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:13 PM
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29. A big thumbs up from me
I think people tend to forget that WE ARE THE BOSS. If the elected officials tell us one thing but do another WE THE BOSSES need to say WHOA THERE!

And I think the timing was perfect--right before swearing in these guys were reminded the war has not gone away.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:18 PM
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30. Rahm, the congressperson she interrupted, does not have a public postion on the war.
WHY?
What kind of ethics is that?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 07:17 PM
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31. I believe if you examine his voting record
you will see he is very pro-war.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 11:14 AM
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33. Perhaps the Dems should start keeping out the liberals / progressives
Lock the peace activist out! Then Rahm could rant about how great the new bankruptcy law is and how the Dems aren't as bad as the alternative.
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