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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:00 PM
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CINDY SHEEHAN DID WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 12:37 PM by Jcrowley
"I am glad the President has realized the need for increasing the size of the armed forces... but this is where the Democrats have been for two years," commented Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the new House Democratic Caucus chairman.) The Democratic leadership promptly pledged to make such an expansion one of its top reform priorities in the New Year.

What Cindy and the other activists did is what we all need to do. Left to itself, the government is going to continue to rubber-stamp the war machine. They will do their job of representing We The People only when We The People make it clear we will let them do nothing else.

Forget "Free speech zones". Take the protests right into the legislative chambers. Be polite, be firm, AVOID VIOLENCE, but get in there and get your message across.

No More War! No More War Funds!

Troops Home NOW!
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:11 PM
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1. I'll give that a "harrumph"
It is definitely the anti-Iraq war vote that put the Dems in charge more than any other issue. And yet we can already see the MSM, starting with GQ's masturbatory aid for DC insiders featuring Rahm Emanuel, settling on the message that the gutless triangulators of the DCCC are responsible for the victory. Every second we are not screaming at the Dems, they will instead be listening to douche-bags like Emanuel and other strategists who not only believe in jack-shit, but couldn't strategize themselves out of a goddamn wet paper sack.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:28 PM
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2. yes!
We need to stop lobbying reform NOW!
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:35 PM
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3. hopefully she will be clearer than some of us
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:43 PM
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4. Size of the military and the number of troops in Iraq are separate issues.
I think we should increase the size of our total troop count now, too. That's a separate issue from occupying Iraq and even from the troops surge bandaid Bush is trying to place on the seeping ulcer in the Middle East. The only reason Bush has been dragging his feet on the overall troop count is because his policies have made it impossible for army recruiters to meet even current recruitment targets. Raising the overall infantry head count by about 50,000 troops is a modest goal, makes the Dems look stronger on defense, and will simultaneously demonstrate the disaster that the Bush policies have been for our national defense strength. It's a winning issue.

And as an added bonus it'll both reduce unemployment and grease the skids for several thousand more young people going to college. It's not enough new troops to start a new war, but it will take some of the pressure off current troops who Bush seems to enjoy dropping into the meat grinder.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:01 PM
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5. Wow
I must say that is not only an improper analysis but if that is the notion of a progressive mind I must admit to being frightened. Well of course Rahm Emmanuel feels the same. He's pro-war just wants it better managed and also wants to expand the military in the most hyper-militarized nation on the planet. He calls it "reform".

And meanwhile no health care.


Let's Do It Again!
Doubling Down on the Imperial Mission in 2007
By Tom Engelhardt

<snip>

Of course, to get those new "volunteer" officers and men, who have generally been none too eager to volunteer for the Army and the Marines in the midst of a disastrous, far-away, increasingly incomprehensible set of double wars, you'll have to pay even more kids more money to go to no-commitment summer camp; and, while you're at it, you'll have to lower standards for the military radically. You'll have to let in even more volunteers without high-school diplomas but with "moral" and medical "waivers" for criminal records and mental problems. You'll have to fast-track even more new immigrants willing to join for the benefits of quick citizenship; you'll have to ramp up already high cash bonuses of all sorts; you'll have to push the top-notch ad agency recently hired on a five-year contract for a cool billion dollars to rev up its new "Army Strong" recruitment drive even higher; you'll certainly have to jack up the numbers of military recruiters radically, to the tune of perhaps a couple of hundred million more dollars; and maybe just for the heck of it, you better start planning for the possibility of recruiting significant numbers of potential immigrants before they even think to leave their own countries. After all, it's darn romantic to imagine a future American all-volunteer force that will look more like the old French Foreign Legion -- or an army of mercenaries anyway. All in all, you'll have to commit to the fact that your future soldier in your basic future war will cost staggering sums of money to hire and even more staggering sums to retain after he or she has had a taste of what "leadership potential" really entails.

Put another way, as long as Iraq remains a classic quagmire for the Army and Marines, any plan to expand the U.S. military in order to make it easier to fight such wars in the future, threatens to become a classic financial quagmire as well. In other words, Iraq and military expansion don't fit together well at all. And yet, looking at the state of our military in Iraq in a certain light, expansion seems so… well, logical.

After all, the American military, now at just over 500,000 troops, stood, at the time of the First Gulf War, at 703,000. (Of course, no one now counts the quite expensive hired mercenaries who envelop our military -- the privatized, Halliburton-style adjuncts, who cook the food, build the bases, do the cleaning, deliver the mail and supplies, perform interrogation duties, and so on, and whose increase has been striking as has the growth of rent-a-mercenary corporations whose armed employees are, for instance, all over Iraq.) In addition, it has long been clear that the Armed Forces could not take the strain of failing wars in Central Asia and the Middle East forever, not to speak of increased "commitments" in the Persian Gulf and the normal massive global basing and policing that the Pentagon regularly refers to as our "footprint" on the planet. Added to this, the President seems to be leaning towards increasingly the pressure on military manpower needs by "surging" -- the Vietnam era word would, of course, have been "escalating" -- up to 30,000 troops into Baghdad and al-Anbar province, while naval and air forces (with an obvious eye to Iran) are simultaneously ramped up in the Persian Gulf.

In light of Iraq, military manpower needs cry out to be dealt with. In light of Iraq, dealing with them any time soon will be prohibitively expensive.

In Washington, this conundrum leads nowhere in particular. Instead, in the spirit of imperial-mission logic (and with the urge to bash the Bush administration for being late to such an obvious support-our-troops position), Democrats simply leaped onto the expand-the-military bandwagon even faster than Republicans. In fact, leading Democrats had long been calling for just this sort of expansion. ("I am glad has realized the need for increasing the size of the armed forces... but this is where the Democrats have been for two years," commented Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the new House Democratic Caucus chairman.) The Democratic leadership promptly pledged to make such an expansion one of its top reform priorities in the New Year.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=152999

Basically you are not only missing the connections but are espousing a position that is in league with pro-war forces on both sides of the aisle. You are asking for an increase in the militarization of our already overly militarized society unless I'm reading this wrong.

Are you suggesting that the US military which spends more than the rest of the world COMBINED should be expanded? Are you suggesting that the way to eradicate unemployment is through national militarism?

Please read the above article and rethink your position.

You do know who is the leading culprit in egesting greenhouse gasses don't you?

725 bases listed by the DOD, another 300-400 unlisted, in 132 countries and you want more?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:07 PM
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6. coherency check: what does this line mean?
" They will do their job of representing We The People only when We The People make it clear we will let them do nothing else"

What are the alternatives? Nothing else, like what? Is "we the people" a singular construct only, and only absolutes are allowed?

You do realize that....oh never mind, I dont think you do...I'll be polite, and quiet.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:19 PM
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8. Assistance
Nearly six in 10 Americans oppose the war in Iraq and a growing number of them are dissatisfied with the war on terrorism, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

Only 39 percent of those polled said they favored the war in Iraq -- down from 47 percent in March -- and 59 percent were opposed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/20/poll/

Nearly three-quarters of Americans say the number of casualties in Iraq is unacceptable, while two-thirds say the U.S. military there is bogged down and nearly six in 10 say the war was not worth fighting -- in all three cases matching or exceeding the highest levels of pessimism yet recorded. More than four in 10 believe the U.S. presence in Iraq is becoming analogous to the experience in Vietnam.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/07/AR2005060700296.html

And this from an ill-informed public. If more knew what was really going on....

We The People does not mean the political machinery of the War Profiteers.

Hope that helps.

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

* Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
* While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
* Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
* Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
* Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
* Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:08 PM
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7. k&r
"Civility" = "a way of dealing with people and problems that made good manners more important than substantial action." -- William Chafe, Civilities and Civil Rights: Greensboro, North Carolina, and the Black Struggle for Freedom
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 06:26 PM
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9. Exactly!
From now on, all areas are free speech zones and they will listen to us, dammit!
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