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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:37 AM
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Blizzard Warning in Hell: Ollie North Against Troop Surge
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/05/surge_is_opposed_by_ollie_north

"A 'surge' or 'targeted increase in U.S. troop strength' or whatever the politicians want to call dispatching more combat troops to Iraq isn't the answer. Adding more trainers and helping the Iraqis to help themselves, is. Sending more U.S. combat troops is simply sending more targets."


:wow:


Last rat off the ship?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:40 AM
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1. Astounding.
It almost makes me wonder if a surge isn't a good idea after all. .
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:43 AM
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3. Anna, it looks like it really is down to Bush* and his dog Barney
I wonder if Faux News will let Colonel Indicted say that on his "War Stories" thingamabob?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:35 PM
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23. Barney Has Been Advising Against The War Since It Started
I'm surprised the dog hasn't been fired, too!
The Professor
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:49 PM
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30. Hehe. Expect the headline soon: "Barney leaves Bush administration to spend more time with family."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:41 AM
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2. I just heard Pelosi say NO to the 'surge'---
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:46 AM
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4. I guess Ollie has contracted those "San Francisco Values"
Who knew they would be so contagious, so quickly?

:rofl:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:24 PM
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27. I think its because he almost got shot while on patrol in Iraq with some of the soldiers
he was on Slannity after it happen. He really looked shook up,he looked drunk to me, this was a couple of weeks ago on Slannity's show he was interviewing him afterwards...
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:57 PM
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31. The story is that the female officer who was escorting North around
was killed right after leaving him. He was shook.
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bluewave Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 03:05 PM
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32. LMAO, gungho until the first bullet flies at his head.
North: You boys are the heart and soul of America, I'll make sure the Commie bastards back in the US hear of th-
*Gunshot*

North: HOLY SHIT! QUAGMIRE! LET'S GTFO!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:47 AM
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5. Oh my, now that will confuse the RWers!! LOL!!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:50 AM
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6. Recommended #1
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:52 AM
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7. more importantly the vietnam comparison as found in his writing
and a link to his site so others can use the link when calmly discussing this with the right.

More Troops = More Targets
by Oliver North
Posted Jan 05, 2007

For months, advisers to President George W. Bush have been trying to convince the commander in chief that more U.S. troops in Iraq will improve prospects for victory. Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), both recently returned from Iraq (and a courageous surprise stopover in Ramadi, capital of bloody Al Anbar Province) also support adding more American troops. Unfortunately, they are wrong.

"I believe there is still a compelling reason to have an increase in troops here in Baghdad and in Anbar province in order to bring the sectarian violence under control," McCain said after his visit. For his part, Lieberman said the idea of sending another 30,000 troops to Iraq is "exactly" the course of action he hopes to see the president take.

McCain and Lieberman talked to many of the same officers and senior NCOs I covered for FOX News during my most recent trip to Iraq. Not one of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen or Marines I interviewed told me that they wanted more U.S. boots on the ground. In fact, nearly all expressed just the opposite: "We don't need more American troops, we need more Iraqi troops," was a common refrain. They are right.

The call for incrementally increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq -- a "solution" that was first proffered last summer as the congressional election campaign heated up -- sounds eerily like Lyndon Johnson's plan to save Vietnam in the mid 1960s. Johnson saw "gradual escalation" as a way not to lose, and to avoid the unpleasant necessity of directly confronting North Vietnam. Regrettably, that also meant we could not win.

Adding 10,000 or 20,000 more U.S. combat troops -- mostly soldiers and Marines -- isn't going to improve Iraqi willingness to fight their own fight -- an imperative if we are to claim victory in this war. While putting 200,000 American or NATO troops on the Iranian and Syrian borders to stop infiltration might make sense, that's "mission impossible" given the size of U.S. and allied armed forces.

A "short-duration surge" in U.S. combat strength also ignores progress that is being made on the ground in places like Al Anbar province, where few of the so-called mainstream media dare to spend much time. In Ramadi, long a hotbed of Sunni terrorism, new National and Provincial police forces are increasingly effective. Calling themselves "The Sons of Al Anbar," thousands of young Iraqi males have volunteered to defend their cities, villages, homes and families from terrorists.

Just days after McCain and Lieberman left Ramadi, I went to a police recruiting center and watched as hundreds of young Sunni males were being processed to become cops. Interestingly, the detailed screening of each volunteer was being conducted by police officers from Pittsburg, New York, Cincinnati, Los Angeles and a half-dozen other American cities. Those who passed the background check, medical and literacy tests and physical exam -- about 70 percent -- were then dispatched to Jordan for a six-week training course.

These new police recruits had all responded to the call of Sheikh Abdel Sattar Baziya. He is Al Anbar's most powerful Sunni tribal leader and the instigator of what he calls "The Awakening" -- self-determination through Sunni cooperation with local U.S. military commanders and the Shia-led government in Baghdad. In conversations with Sheikh Sattar at his home, and later at Camp Phoenix, where Iraqi police receive tactical and human-rights training, this populist Sunni chieftain made it clear that this is a war that the Iraqi people must win for themselves.

Sheikh Sattar's analysis of the situation is shared by Al Anbar's Sunni governor, Maamoun Sami Rashid al-Awani. Though a Baghdad appointee, Gov. Maamoun, who I have now interviewed on three separate trips to Iraq, is convinced that more U.S. combat power is not the answer. He too wants more U.S. trainers and civil affairs personnel.

On more than one occasion Gov. Maamoun, Sheikh Sattar and every military commander with whom I spoke, described the Police Training Teams (PTTs), Military Transition Teams (MTTs) and Civil Affairs Groups (CAGs) as unsung heroes and the keys to victory in Iraq. All of them are advocates for more trainers, improved supply support from the central government and assurances that the Interior Ministry implement responsive administrative and pay systems for the police. One U.S. logistics expert complained that he was receiving no assistance whatsoever from our embassy in helping the Iraqis overcome the belief that "a full shelf is a good shelf." None suggested more U.S. combat troops as a solution. And they all wonder if anyone in Baghdad or Washington is listening.

A "surge" or "targeted increase in U.S. troop strength" or whatever the politicians want to call dispatching more combat troops to Iraq isn't the answer. Adding more trainers and helping the Iraqis to help themselves, is. Sending more U.S. combat troops is simply sending more targets.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18797
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:14 PM
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13. He advocates "200,000 American or NATO troops on the Iranian and Syrian borders"
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 02:06 PM by flamingyouth
Ollie (and many Americans) should do their homework. That's exactly how the troops in Viet Nam were deployed. A whole lot get lost in the revisionism regarding Viet Nam, but we should always remember that US combat forces were predominantly deployed inside the northern and western borders of South Viet Nam to engage the regular forces of North Viet Nam. Much, of course, is made of "expanding" the war to Laos and Cambodia, but it's irrefutable that NVA regulars traversed those territories in the deployment of their forces.

Ollie's peepee is just straining at his jerky shorts to see a conflagration in the Middle East.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:25 PM
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18. thank you for clarifying that
and this last statement in your post!
Ollie's peepee is just straining at his jerky shorts to see a conflagration in the Middle East.


:rofl: thanks for the days snickering & giggles :rofl:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:26 PM
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28. Good grief
I guess he wants to save the troops for his IranOgasm, then.

These AIE freaks really really really need to go home and just do some gardening....cool off, re-think things and then jump off a freaking cliff.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:53 AM
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8. K&R
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:55 AM
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9. Sounds like he's out of the loop, there.
The surge is to provide extra security after we attack Iran.

Any bets?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:00 PM
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11. I don't know
20,000 extra troops to 'secure Baghdad' isn't going to do much to quell the catastrophe we would encounter in all of Iraq if Iran were attacked.

I think Bush* is just buying time until he's out of office. I just wish he could be impeached to save a few thousand lives that haven't yet been lost
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:59 AM
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10. ...and * can't fire Ollie
But I suppose he could direct Faux to cut him loose...:eyes:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:01 PM
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12. His Dog Barney is still with him though
:eyes:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:16 PM
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14. Jeez - Sean Hannity's head is gonna splode.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:18 PM
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15. Just a weather report from Hell
Sorry to say but while Hell, Michigan, is usually snowed over this time of year it is unseasonably warm here in Hell this year. Hell has seen no significant snow fall all year. This is as troubling as the situation in Iraq. Hell should be frozen over right now but is not.

This has been your weather report from Hell Michigan.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:18 PM
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16. SERIOUSLY! Why does anyone give a shit what the lying
criminal bastard has to say about anything?

This is one of the things that makes me think I've gone to Bizarro World.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:22 PM
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17. Ollie helped put the First Dufus in the White House...Fuck him...
Last Rat off the ship? Wheres the Loyalty? Ollie is supposed to stay with the Capt Queeg and his damn ball bearings...
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:27 PM
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19. Actually, Hell doesn't have a blizzard warning:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:34 PM
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20. Still wants US presence. He is still a Shit head.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:35 PM
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21. Absolutely
You said it.....
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:35 PM
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22. My bet is that he wants to go bomb Iran instead. n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:45 PM
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24. I don't know that Ollie was ever a neocon was he?
he's part of the Poppy Cartel. But, you're right, it's strange to hear these things right now.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:17 PM
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25. who cares what that criminal thinks
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:21 PM
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26. maybe the bomb that took out his military escort
recently, put the fear of dog in the stupid sumbitch.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:47 PM
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29. Wow, I never thought Ollie could hate America and the troops as much as we do!
Welcome to DU, Ollie!
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