This just baffles me....

Bush is getting oppositon to the "surge option" (ne: ESCALATION) from everybody up to and including Oliver North. Even the McCain/Lieberman show loaded their support with so many caveats that it makes it impossible for Bush to suceed...see DU link here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3067862

And yet we're getting leak after leak after leak from the White House outlining the contents or at least the substance of the speech to be given on Wednesday night.....

Never in my memory has a speech been so thoroughly discredited, rejected and pre-judged as the one we're about to hear on Wednesday night....but by God he's going to give it anyway....see what Tony Snow has to say in this DU link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3067843

Either Bush is has gone completely off the deep end or he's playing out a strategy we haven't thought of yet.....(not about Iraq, but politically)

Remember that everything these guys do is POLITICAL ...They have no interest whatsoever in POLICY . This whole thing (surge) is some kind of political scam and we're falling for it.

Just for discussion...what if it's a sucker play and on Wednesday night he announces "Victory" and starts pulling troops out?

surge, so maybe it really is just Laura and Barney now.

he's so vile

Or to put it another way, I don't think these guys are as smart as they think they are. I think they think they can pull a political ju-jitsu making their enemies opposed to victory - but I don't think they are really understanding how the political landscape has changed.

In other words, while I'm sure they believe that they are running some kind of brilliant strategery, they are really just dopes who are busily shooting themselves in the (political) foot.

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but again, the political landscape is littered with the (political) corpses of those who have underestimated Bush and his entourage.

I can't believe that KKKarl and KKKaren Hughes (or is that HUGE?) are so politically tone deaf that they cannot read the mood of the country, or, actually envision a way where there can actually be any kind of legacy-saving victory in Iraq.

I appreciate your opinion but I cannot fathom that level of stupidity.

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or not. But as Biden and others have suggested, I think he's just trying to hang in there til 08, when Iraq will no longer be his problem.

but they arent smart. and they are not quiet. it is always out and clear what they are doing that leaves so many saying, wtf.... i think they are exactly doing this 2-3 yr escalation plan to allow bush to be out of office when troops are brought home. he has not been shying telling us this is what he will do. it is for the next pres to bring troops home. they cannot be any more clear for us

Why would they reject it??

in doubters, tell us all that Iraq is the "central front to the Global War on Terror", and 'explain' the that the supporters' recurring question of "What happens if we leave? What then?"

BOO!!!!!!!!!

Junior parades around and is "The Decider."

Oh how proud Poppy and Babs will be of their boy come Wednesday? :eyes:

... he's able to answer a lot of the criticism in his speech. He will, of course, claim this is the plan put forward by the generals. And, call everyone against the plan, faint-hearted, cut and runners, etc.

But, I agree with the sentiments expressed above. He's run out the string on this. His speech will not convince many.

"Never in my memory has a speech been so thoroughly discredited, rejected and pre-judged as the one we're about to hear on Wednesday night....but by God he's going to give it anyway...."

Oh Shub's gone off the deep end alright. I really think ewagner, that he has a personality disorder, is definitely an egomaniac, and suffers from delusions of grandeur (no sarcasm intended).

He simply either refuses to listen to any voices of reason, or can't listen because the delusional voices in his head are too loud. If he does not get impeached first, Shrub should be removed from office as unfit for duty.

under AntiSocial Personality Disorder in the DSM-IV ... that of "barking at the moon" MAD! :P

they do`t care about anyone or anything now...he`s hitler in the bunker directing non existent troops to stop the russians at the edge of berlin.

The only reason BushCo would be determined to go ahead with an escalation of 20,000 more troops despite public sentiment and the advice of every sane person (summarily forced out) is simply that NO ONE CAN STOP THEM.

Hey, the war profiteers and Wall Street are making money hand over fist. And that's been the underlying driving force behind this whole dreadful thing since the beginning. That and control of the oil. Wonder why the administration doesn't care about how badly it's gone and keeps sinking us further into this quagmire, look no further than the $$$.

He's treading around the 10 ft. mark, and the lifeguard is on lunch break.

I don't feel it is just bush behind this . Many of the neocons and repubs may say now they dissagree just for the sake of working in the darkness .

This entire attack on Iraq can be looked at in a simple manner if you take away elements such as 9/11 and the term war on terror and what you are left with is an invasion for the soul purpose of controlling oil in the middle east .

Body count is just an number and fear is the motive .

I feel Iraq is just the beginning of this never ending trend . People seem to forget oil is used for so very many things other than gas for cars .

They also have to keep their weapon machine feed can't loose these jobs and contracts .

I personally don't see why bush would care what the 2008 elections end with , he will be out and by then his entire cabal will hopefully be gone , however they seem to have lasted for 40 years pretty well .

If this is all a political move then it is certainly one sick move to go for now and this includes both parties , this would not surprise me , this has always been politics working against instead of for the people who in turn work against eachother in the private sector .

Then the GOP can score political points off the new administration's handling of the war. For the last 20-30 yrs, they've been more influential as an opposition party lobbing grenades at the Executive branch.

The corollary is the Bush Regime is betting the GOP will lose the Presidency in 2008.