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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:24 AM
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Fredrick Kagan: anyone watching CSPAN with this fat bastard on...
who supports more troops in Iraq.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:25 AM
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1. Did he sign up?
Why isn't he going?
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:27 AM
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2. looking at his double chin i don't think so
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:27 AM
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3. Yes, someone should ask him how he and "Private Pyle" got
through boot camp. What a pompous a**hole - typical koolaid passing American Enterprise Institute (AEI) GHOUL! :puke:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:28 AM
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4. He thinks Democrats now bear the responsibility for Iraq...
and he hasn't seen any plan that bears scrutiny. As opposed to the brilliance of the original invasion, which certainly had his approval.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:31 AM
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5. He talks down to his audience like so many right wingers ...
Using glib terms like "good guys" and "bad guys."

He's now going to explain so that we don't get overwhelmed.

What a maroon! :P
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:32 AM
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6. It was good until he came on too...
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:33 AM
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7. my question to this idiot is how do we tell insurgents from regular people...
from what i hear the people that supposed to be friends to the troops are the same ones latter on attacking the troops.in fact rumor is some of the trained Iraqi troops are attacking the US military.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:39 AM
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13. His arrogance is so palatable, I can't see him communicating
Edited on Tue Jan-09-07 08:40 AM by ShortnFiery
effectively with the military. No, not even Field Grade Officers. He and his little civilian chicken-hawk clutch get together and then TELL the officers what they want.

All I can say with confidence is that - it's a good thing Kagan never wore a military uniform. Briefly, this man does NOT listen and seemingly knows nothing about team building. It's glaringly obvious that he loves the sound of his own voice. SUPER ARROGANT CIVILIAN! Nope, as an Company Grade officer ole' Kagan would implode or his troops would ensure his quick departure. ;)
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:33 AM
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8. If he were any dumber....
He would have branches, leaves and roots.... What trash can did they pull him out of?
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:54 AM
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23. One of the think tanks running the US govt. right now.
One thing they seem to have in common. They all could put off working to stay in college a good many years and not understand the world.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:33 AM
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9. From Jesus' General ...
Do champagne flutes come in camouflage?



Frederick Kagen
Resident Scholar
American Enterprise Institute

Dear Dr. Kagen,

Congratulations. It looks like your Iraq War Plan won Our Leader's Need Something to Get Me Through the Next Two Years Sweepstakes. I think it's a very promising plan. If it's properly implemented, it should postpone the loss of Iraq until after the end of Our Leader's reign.

That said, I'm very worried that a key component of your plan, signing up enough recruits to make it work, may be unachievable. Too many of America's young working class men and women are shirking their duty to risk life and limb for the betterment of the Ownership Society. They refuse the honor of serving as the College Republicans' proxies in the greatest struggle our nation has ever faced. You understand this. That's why you are asking Our Leader to call on these wretched children to enlist when he delivers his speech tomorrow.

Unfortunately, I don't think The Chosen One's pleas will be enough. America's non-matriculated youth need more than mere words to motivate them. They need someone to lead them from the skateboard parks to the battlefield. Who better to do that than you?

You're young enough to serve, and Lord knows it's your plan, so you have a vested interest in being there to ensure it succeeds. I'm sure the American Enterprise Institute can get a long without you for a couple of years. Heck, I bet Mary Rosh would cover your AEI duties for you, if she not still too busy covering for John Lott.

I hope you'll consider it. It'd be great to see Our Leader end his speech by swearing you in.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:34 AM
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10. He's been all over the TV - it's his plan Bush will follow -
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:36 AM
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11. Oh, jeez! Where do they find these monsters?
Edited on Tue Jan-09-07 08:44 AM by Judi Lynn


His magnificent Wikipedia profile:
Frederick W. Kagan is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and a former professor of military history at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. He is brother to foreign policy analyst Robert Kagan.

Frederick Kagan and his father Donald Kagan, who is a professor at Yale and a fellow at the Hudson Institute, together authored While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today (2000). The book argued in favor of massive military spending and warned of future threats, including from a potential revival of Iraq's WMD program. (1) Frederick along with his brother Robert Kagan, who is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, and their father Donald are all signatories to the Project for the New American Century manifesto titled Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000).
(snip/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Kagan

This big porkie, with his family, is overfocused on "defense." (Someone should tell him there's every chance he still could die, and it won't be "the enemy" who's responsible.) Looks as if his whole family all lost its moorings long ago. How could a man let himself go like that?

On edit:

Including, at no expense to you, photos of his brother, Robert Kagan, and his dear dad, Donald Kagan!

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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:38 AM
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12. they have a lot to say about the military but neither brother or father has....
been in the military.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:46 AM
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17. Plus his tone is preachy, not encouraging a two way exchange of
ideas. I'm so sick of these pseudo- military geniuses tell us how they know every damn thing. If only we would do what they say.

Well, dumb-ass, I bet the military has told you that it can't be accomplished as you describe it.

Today Frederick Kagan has demonstrated ZERO listening skills. :puke:

I bet everyone in uniform who has to work for him HATES HIS GUTS. :evilgrin:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:46 AM
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18. A whole bucket of chickenhawks! n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:50 AM
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21. Look at Bush; he's checking if the old man's pate is bald enough for a kiss.
Edited on Tue Jan-09-07 08:51 AM by WinkyDink
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:19 AM
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25. another father-son disaster
Frederick Kagan and his father Donald Kagan, who is a professor at Yale and a fellow at the Hudson Institute, together authored While America Sleeps: Self-Delusion, Military Weakness, and the Threat to Peace Today (2000).

Awwww--isn't that sweet? Father and son sell-outs to the military industry. Daddy Pimp and Baby Pimp.

What is wrong with that man's eyes (top photo, right)? He's cross-eyed.



Cher


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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:22 AM
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27. I swear, it must be our collective payback....
for not being nice to geeks back when we were in school. :shrug:
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:40 AM
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14. You go caller from Texas!!!! PNAC, and everything!!!!
I love informed people
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:41 AM
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15. yes! did you watch freddie's breathing get faster and he tensed up
fucking piece of work
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:44 AM
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16. Now its Clintons fault because Clinton cut military budgets in the 90's.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:47 AM
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19. He certainly thinks people are stupid.....
I have only had this on for 15 minutes and he has consistently makes references to how people have missed this or that, or don't understand this or that

Must be nice to be smarter than everyone else:sarcasm:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:50 AM
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20. American Enterprise Institute= Neo Con Organization
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:21 AM
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26. More Like The NeoCon Mafia!
The Professor
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 08:51 AM
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22. He's calling Dem Callers "Conspiracy Theorists" and he keeps saying
we have to "Win" ..."Win" ...."Win."

Also supported "search and siezure" by going from door to door in Baghdad and searching "every nook and cranny" in a house and taking the arms of the citizens. If the Iraq doesn't want to let toops in then they enter "forcibly."

Hmmm ...these Neo-Cons seem to advocate something that our own Constitution until Bush II wouldn't have allowed.

He's a nutcase like the rest of his Neo-Con cronies.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:01 AM
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24. He also ignores the fact that the Iraqis would not accept house to house search's as he thinks.
Btw, wasn't that tried and it cuased more resentment towards the americans? Wasn't that what was going on when the 14 yo girl was raped and her family murdered? Stupid neo cons.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:26 AM
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28. He weaves a web of words that almost seems like reality but...
...then you realize it isn't, it can't be. Ideology has replaced fact for Neo-Cons.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 09:37 AM
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29. He is the brother of PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan
Their father Donald Kagan, was one of the early neo-cons. Criminality runs in the family, it seems.
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