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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:52 PM
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Bush is going to win tonight, you know.
It doesn't matter whether or not he gets his surge. It doesn't matter if everybody comes out against him. It doesn't matter if Tony Blair starts referring to him as the War Chimp.

As long as he's not talking about withdrawing, not talking about dismantling permanent bases, he's winning.

If only there was some kind of Constitutional maneuver we could use to remove him from office...
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:54 PM
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1. Can't Congress revoke his war powers?
If they gave it to him, why can't they take it back?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:59 PM
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Do they have the votes for that?
Even if all the dems and some of the repukes voted to revoke the IWR couldn't he veto that and then it would require a two thirds majority to overturn the veto, we don't have that many votes do we? I think it might be getting pretty close to that though. It would be symbolic and put the war on his doorstep where it belongs, it would be a record.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 06:01 PM
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32. How Can You have a War Against Terror?

There is no defined area and no benchmarks for victory.

How could we possible know if we got all the "Bad Guys?"

I need a link that gives him the authority to say that we can be in a WAR with TERROR and that he has the power to fight ??????


He can't even find OBL and so that means that we have lost the Phony War.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 07:25 PM
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36. When did Congress authorize him to go to war, ever? The IWR wasn't an authorization to go to war.
The chimp in chief doesn't care what Congress says, no matter which party is in charge. He will do what ever he wants. How many times did he state that as long as he was pResident, we would be in Iraq? The fawning media never fails to tell us that pResident pissant says what he means and means what he says. I guess in the case of his illegal war on Iraq, that is true. I can't watch the POS, not tonight, or any other night. :puke: He is a murderer!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:55 PM
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2. I was hoping for the 25th amendment
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 01:57 PM by alyce douglas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

all this talk about him leaving the office, if he was a leader in another country, he wouldn't of lasted this long, his ass would be long gone, bush will have to bring the people to his knees before we do anything, not to be rude with my comment but it's true.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:56 PM
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5. I'm still hoping for it.
n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:55 PM
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3. That's ridiculous.
That's what Bush considers winning. Here in America, he simply sounds insane in public. Remember, we still have video clips of Johnson and Nixon on VietNam.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:58 PM
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7. Yeah, Seriously, WTF?
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 02:00 PM by Beetwasher
That's like saying a mental patient is "winning" because he still insists he IS Napolean regardless of what everyone else says. What sort of twisted, delusional mental gymnastics do you have to go through to get to that place where you think Bush "wins" because he's clinging to his utter and complete denial? In what world is that "winning"? That's not "winning", it's mental illness.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:14 PM
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13. Bush's prime objective is to occupy Iraq forever.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 02:47 PM by BuyingThyme
That's what the neo-cons hired him to do.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:56 PM
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4. If only there was some kind of Constitutional maneuver we could use to remove him from office...
Fear not, the investigations are about to begin.

THAT is when the sh!t hits the fan.

The lame duck pResident will spend his remaining years in the White House attempting to withhold evidence ordered by subpoena.

I really do think Bush is about to enter the "Richard Nixon Chapter" of his pResidency. People are fed up.

FED UP! Even long time Republicans can't stand the man, and think he's gone off the deep end. All Bush has left are the Kool-Aid drinkers, and their numbers are dwindling.

Look at Richard Nixon's 1973-1974 calendar for Bush's future...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:05 PM
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11. Bush's future doesn't matter. It's all about Iraq.
If we spend two years (or two minutes) planning for or arguing about a surge, Bush wins.

I just wish there was some legal way to remove him from office.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:56 PM
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6. This really isn't any kind of a win. It's a desperate move to satisfy
the desires of big oil to keep the oil fields out of the hands of the Iraqis, who ever they happen to be.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:59 PM
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8. Quite to the contrary...
Bush can't win. The pooch has been thoroughly screwed.

Unfortunately, he has diminished us all in the process.

The new strategy is to stall so someone else has to clean up the mess.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:05 PM
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12. Isn't a stall a win?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:02 PM
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10. Is he winning, or losing slowly? nt
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:18 PM
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14. I say winning.
I haven't seen any signs that things in Iraq are coming to an end.

Have you?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:22 PM
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15. I guess not.
When America loses, Bush wins.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:29 PM
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18. Yes, that's what I think.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:26 PM
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16. Bush will win tonight if he changes himself into a large snake....
...like the reptilian beings from inside the hollow core of the earth....otherwise, the country will see him for what he is, totally insane!

The Constitutional maneuver we could use to remove Bush/Cheney from office is called IMPEACHMENT and congress has more than enough grounds to impeach both of them.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:28 PM
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17. Yes, IMPEACHMENT!
Why didn't I think of that. It's so obvious.

:hi:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:29 PM
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19. In his own deluded mind and those of his dwindling supporters..
perhaps, but it truth he's lost it all, including his Presidency. I know he doesn't give a flying fuck about history because he figures he'll be dead, but I truly and fully believe he will long be considered the worst and most disastrous President this country has ever seen, and a failure on every and all levels.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:32 PM
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20. I agree, except the the extent that six years of occupation,
to Bush, is like six years of winning the lottery every minute.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:37 PM
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21. Again, he's a sick and delusional person...
so to that extent I suppose you're right. It doesn't bother him in the least that everything he has, including the Presidency, he gained through lying, stealing, cheating, and/or just having "Bush" as a last name, as long as he "won". It will always be thus.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:39 PM
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22. Yeah.
:hi:
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:35 PM
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23. Oh yes, Chris, I think he should get a bump from tonight's speech
:sarcasm:

A win, a boost a bump... you know that's what we're going to hear from the so-called "liberal media."
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 05:19 PM
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26. They're not going to say that, but Bush won't care anyways.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:40 PM
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24. Off topic but, I can't read any of your posts without hearing them in the voice of sponge bob...
... because of your avatar. A little disturbing.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 05:27 PM
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28. That explains it.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:40 PM
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25. Remember, remember, the seventh of November
Did I hear you say that Bush is going to win? The very reason he's doing this is because the Democrats are about to throw him against the ropes.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 05:21 PM
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27. I understand what you mean and I agree
If Bush is able to keep doing what he is doing in Iraq, he IS winning,,,,Until we stop him, he's not losing.

Losing the war is another thing. Its BEEN lost, but everyone knew that
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 06:04 PM
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34. Yes. It was lost before it even began.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 05:55 PM
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29. When the investigations on the hill are in full swing
he won't be feeling so cocky. He's already lawyering up big time in preparation.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 05:57 PM
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30. being a failure, loathed, hated is not winning. he may continue with war
but he is not winning. he has failed, the soldiers, the right, the nation and the world. that is not winning by any definition
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 06:00 PM
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31. You're assuming he gives a crap about the soldiers?
The right? The nation? The world?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 06:03 PM
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33. no i dont assume. i am sure he doesnt give a shit about anyone but himself
which is another thing about him people are disgusted with. another piece of him that is a loser. that does not have anything to do with him a winner, because he dosnt give a shit about troops. he still loses.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 06:06 PM
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35. Unless winning is
not talking about withdrawing, not talking about dismantling permanent bases.
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