I am now 100% against impeachment! We *must* demand immediate resignations.

Olbermann is on now - his first comment - if we had a parliamentary system in the U.S., TODAY the President's administration WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO RESIGN.

We don't have time to impeach. Bush is out of touch with reality - in a very, very frightening way.

We must demand that the entire administration steps down now. I am stone-faced serious. If the GOP can't bear to release the White House - fine! Move Hagel and McCain in. Hagel was making http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3099549&mesg_id=3100101">making some courageous statements today.

HOW do we catapult the demand for immediate resignations into the nation's consciousness?

IMPORTANT: Nixon did not resign because he was impeached. He resigned because G.H.W. Bush advised him too. We *know* that politics is an insider's game -- at best the public will pushes someone on the inside to take action.

==========About GHW Bush asking Nixon to resign:

After a couple of terms as a Congressman from Texas, Bush was appointed Ambassador to the United Nations by President Richard M. Nixon. Afterwards Nixon appointed him chairman of the Republican National Committee. Oddly enough, as RNC chairman Bush had an (unofficial) office inside the White House. So anyway, Bush was the guy who ultimately had to ask Nixon to resign, which he was too chicken to do face-to-face. So he wrote amemo:

Dear Mr. President,

It is my considered judgment that you should now resign. I expect in your lonely embattled position this would seem to you as an act of disloyalty from one you have supported and helped in so many ways. My own view is that I would now ill serve a President whose massive accomplishments I will always respect and whose family I love, if I did not now give you my judgment. Until this moment resignation has been no answer at all, but given the impact of the latest development, and it will be a lasting one, I now firmly feel resignation is best for the country, best for this President. I believe this view is held by most Republican leaders across the country. This letter is much more difficult because of the gratitude I will always have for you. If you do leave office history will properly record your achievements with a lasting respect.

Nixon quit the following day, and Gerald Ford became President.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-hw-bush/

We'll ask for resignations and he will immediately start clearing out his locker.

Right.

Then a squadron of pigs will take off in formation, down Pennsylvania Ave., and I will receive The Ruby Slippers in a UPS delivery.

reflects the urgency of the situation.

We are not in ordinary time and I tire of people - in Congress, on the streets - who continue to act as if we are.

Peace.

Hardly. But you must remember that we are dealing with a classic case of Malignant Narcissism. He is not subject to the same impulse and insight controls as are found in normative societal measurements. He has reached the pinnacle of sociopathy, the presidency of the US, and he sees himself as above and beyond all laws and controls.

Not unlike a child's view of the office: "When I grow up, I'm gonna be the president! Then nobody will make me clean my room!".

I would not be surprised that even if he was convicted in a trial of impeachment, that he and Biggus Dickus would refuse to leave office and they would have to be removed by law enforcement and military.

He's decompensating. It's early stages, but make no mistake: that IS what is happening, and the potential for a lot worse is very great.

truth to power and pray that the few sane people in our a nation's leadership - Kucinich, Feingold, Kerry, Kennedy - will speak the truth to all of the people.

We are witnessing the madness of King George. Reagan should've been escorted out of office to a lovely retirement home after the first 2 years of his first term. And now - it is time - for George W. Bush - and the whole Bush cabal to step down.

Shall we wait until he drops nuclear bombs to speak the truth?

The impeach movement needs to quickly change rhetoric - RESIGN. RESIGN. RESIGN.

Impeachment would take forever and as has been stated over & over, many people, even after seeing "his" latest behavior, would not want to go through impeachment hearings...

RESIGNATION is a different story......Nixon's was quite painless for most of us. It could be so again.


RESIGN, RESIGN, RESIGN..TODAY !

In August 1974, Nixon was clearly in the impeachment frying pan, with the heat turned up high, even by members of his own party. He knew, with all the incriminating against him, that his ass was going to be grass, and there was no way around it, except to work out a deal to resign, and have Jerry Ford grant him a pardon (under the guise of "healing the nation") if the hounds started getting too close.

Nice post. Reality measured with a dose of humor. Look, folks. The man is not going to resign. He is not mad. He is not going to be dragged kicking and screaming from the Oval Office. It makes for a nice little fantasy, but we have to deal with reality. The man is engaging in a pursuit of war that many disagree with. Do you think this is the first time in history that people have disagreed with the President on vital matters of public interest? Can we simply demand resignation every time we don't like what our elected President does? That way madness lies.

Do you remember the initial calls for Clinton to resign after the Monica episode became public? I clearly remember Sam Donaldson predicting he would be gone within a week. No one gives up power without a fight. Like it or not, every elected President has the right to fulfill his term unless we follow the rules to impeach him.

and not deal with prolonged hearings. That is my wish.

what i wish

:pals:

There'd be an "investigation". :eyes:

Sorry, but some of these people aren't "regular" people in thought. They are the poison in the bunker types.

and pray constantly. I swear I think our only two hopes for stopping him from causing the Middle East to implode and/or dropping a nuclear weapon are: Prayer. Courageous troops who refuse to engage in these illegal actions.

What do we do to STOP him now? If we can stop his aggression toward other countries and tie his hand for the next XX many months/two years - then fine he can sit in the White House. He must be stopped.

Resignation. Begin to demand his resignation.

ALL of the impeachment groups must immediately change their rhetoric - RESIGN.

And, yes, the Dems must push investigations that will lead to impeachment if he is still in office.

I don't believe people should change their rhetoric at all. I think every possible avenue towards stopping these criminals needs to be pursued, including impeachment, which is the Constitutionally-prescribed method.

chance to put so much pressure on Congress and on the WH that the Bush administration will step down and that so long as there is any chance of that happening then we must try.

In fact I said much of the same last night. I started by sending a similiar letter to both of the chicago papers today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3091074&mesg_id=3091074

"HOW do we catapult the demand for immediate resignations into the nation's consciousness?"


Let ALL see that our fucked up egomaniac pres Shrub tried to start a new war today with this unprovoked act!

see below:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-01-11T092439Z_01_BLA134271_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-IRAN-OFFICE.xml

probably need to get rid of rove, cheney and/or maybe condi. As long as they are holding him up, he will not fall. It is almost like a table, how many legs are holding it up. It may stand on three, but can it stand on two? It definately cannot stand on one unless it is one of those in the middle with the big round base. So, to be sure to make the table fall, you must get rid of all its legs. Stupid I know, but the only way I can think to put it.

in, McCain can step in. We don't have to put in Pelosi or even a bipartisan team. What we need is someone who is SANE - this team has lost it completely. I really liked Olbermann's first statement on Countdown last night - if this were a parliamentary system the Bush administration would have been forced to step down yesterday.

Are they gone yet?

You are right about one thing...Nixon was forced to resign, but it was at the strong urging of Hughes Scott and Barry Goldwater...and done after the Supreme Court ruled that Nixon had to release the "smoking gun" tape that all but assured his impeachment in the House and made a conviction in the Senate a strong possibility. Nixon wanted to fight, it was Goldwater who told him he no longer had any party support.

While I wish for a similar scenario here, there are no Goldwaters in the Senate. Hell, you have one of the few Repugnicans who voted to acquit Nixon in the House as the second in charge on the Repugnican side.

If Poppy did write that memo, it had little if any impact...it was when Nixon found out he couldn't beat the rap in the Senate that he quit.

We will rise up until they stand down

We The People have set a time table for withdrawal

Bush and Cheney, resign immediately

It is a matter of national security

...now feel that we can't afford to take the long, winding road to impeachment (although if there was the will to do it, Conyers could whip out impeachable offenses enough to do it in the microwave, rather than the regular oven), but must take steps to exact resignations NOW!

If we all could just look at this issue in the light of the number of our young people who are going to die every day that we let this go on, rather than considering the political effects of every move, we might have a better chance for success.

Many of the people who have been crying that "we don't have the votes," are now observing that the rats are beginning to leave a sinking chip.

We the People have the power of the purse, too. We need to withdraw all support until we see action. We must demand that our Congressional representatives listen to our strong voices....every day until they accede to our righteous demands!

of real investigations, which would inevitably lead to impeachment. I say this because if the truth about all this cabal's criminal activities comes out, they won't just be looking at impeachment, but imprisonment. And everyone in Congress, sans LIEberman would be charging the White House with torches and pitchforks.

all be revealed if he does not step down sounds like an excellent move. We KNOW that Conyers, Waxman, Leahy, etcetera have much, much dirt on him already.

never tried

1. He gets to stay in power long enough to cause the Middle East to implode with a HUGE backlash that effects the whole world.

2. We leave him in long enough to get to try and convict him.

The value in convicting him is (1.) getting him out of office (if he doesn't leave sooner), (2.) getting revenge, (3.) revealing the truth so that everyone can see it and we can learn.

I really only NEED the last one of those three -- providing we can get him out of office without having the impeachment hearings.

He went to the White House and told Nixon he had virtually no support and would be impeached and convicted. The next evening, Nixon resigned.

I want to see these criminals charged, convicted and jailed. Impeachment would just waste months or even years.