KBR has been planning the invasion of IRAN since 2003

I worked in Iraq for nearly 11 months in 2005 and 2006. While I was there I talked to several mid-level KBR management types. I heard many interesting stories and took most of them with a grain of salt. But there was one that may or may not prove to be true sometime this month.

One day, while talking to my supervisor, who had been in Iraq working for KBR since just after the beginning of the war in 2003, we were talking about the situation with Iran. I said there was no way we would start a war with Iran due to the inability of our government to sufficiently fight the current war with Iraq. I said that the military was overstretched and there was no way we could man two fronts in two separate countries.

He disagreed and told me that the war with Iran was planned way back in 2003. I didn't believe him. He said that early in the Iraq war, KBR personell were allowed to go into areas that were now considered secret. He stated that he was in an upper level management office which had maps of the region on the wall. He noticed a map with the Iraq/Iran border on it and it had several arrows from Iraq into Iran and it also had highlighted areas within the border of Iran. He asked someone in the office what a map of Iran was doing up and what all the arrows and highlighted areas indicated. "Oh, that is our point of entry into Iran in January of 2007," was what he said the person told him. He further stated the highlighted areas where future American bases that were to be built by KBR.

Like I said earlier, I take everything I heard in Iraq with a critical mindset. Most of the people I worked with were exaggerators to put it diplomatically. But after hearing Bush's speech and his inclusion of Iran and Syria and his apparent threats against those countries, I wonder if those maps and plans were real.

If we do begin another military mission against Iran this month, it would seem that it has been planned since 2003. Any "provocation" at this point will be the tail wagging the dog to make sure the pre-planned war can be carried out.

I talked to a different KBR manager in 2005 who told me that the invasion of Iraq had been on the drawing board since 2000 and that he had seen plans and estimates for building American bases inside the country.

I guess we will know in a few more weeks.

Extraordinary story. Never heard anything like it before.

Like I said, there were many stories told over there and most of them were complete and utter bullshit but this one seems more and more likely to be coming true. I would be glad to relate this story, under oath, to any government official interested in investigating it.

We would be very interested to read more about this.

Also, if you have the ability to scan and e-mail to photobucket or host on website, please post some photos of documents that might establish you worked for KBR, worked in Iraq, etc. Pages from your passport with entry stamps would be good, along with W-2s, letters, etc. from KBR.

If all this checks out, I would like to discuss this further. You can PM me, if you prefer.

Looking forward to it. - Mark

Including posting some documents? I would redact your name and any biodata identifers from anything you put up here, initially, but that's up to you.

Here is a couple of pictures. I know this won't prove it to the hardcore skeptics but I really have absolutely no reason to lie about this.

Here I am with some of my TCN workers and a General and a full bird Colonel at Tallil Air Base. We did some work on his living container.



Here I am with some troops. We provided them with some material to make their outpost more liveable. Can't you tell I hate the troops.



Here I am with some Italian troops.



Here I am with some Polish troops.



And yes, I did wear the exact same type of clothing every day.

groups. The Poles look more like German soldiers than the Germans I know. The Italians are pretty laid-back, the Americans are really relaxed (except, maybe, the Colonel), and the local guys you worked with are obviously very eager to please. You look like a stand-up guy who fits in well with the people around you.

I believe you. Host the redacted KBR doc you sent me. Write up your story, post it, and we'll all put out heads together about what we can do to get this story into the right hands.

What I think is really significant about this is not that there was planning to invade Iran in 2003, or even in 2000, but that Halliburton-KBR was in on the ground floor. We all know who that brings into the picture.

...or that your (ex- ?)supervisor is dead wrong.

I can not vouch for my supervisor but I relayed exactly what he told me and he told this story on more than one occassion.

I've been concerned about BushCo and Iran for over a year now, as many here have been...I keep looking for reasons to believe the risk is exaggerated, but what you relayed from your supervisor is just one more reason to think these maniacs will really do it.

I do appreciate you sharing what you heard, even if it isn't what we want to hear.

:)

I hope he was lying. I believe, if it is true, the orignal planners expected Iraq to be a cakewalk not the cluster it has become so that may prevent phase II from taking place...I hope.

From GD, it says

"That is our point of entry into Iran in January of 2007",

and here, it says

"KBR has been planning the invasion of IRAN since 2003"

How did you do that?

after I posted.

I must've looked at this thread while you were changing it.

Thanks!

One troop told me Iraq was all about having a forward attack area and we don't give a shit about the people. Still others said they were actually told in basic that it was going down.

The whole world knows Bush's plan. Everyone knows more about Cheney's plan for world domination then most Americans do.

Thanks for posting this.

Part of their plan that required a "new Pearl Harbor" to get the American people to go along with it.

How is it the PNAC is overlooked? All this (edit for swearing) is a big, dick plan to be rex monde, king of the world, and they can read all about it if they just google PNAC.

Sept 11, 2001...

in a journal I was keeping. I wrote down all of the conversation I could remember. The person that told me this was a pretty high up on the ground KBR manager.

you could put his name? Or who you worked for? Or where in Iraq you were located? I'm not saying that you're lying (cause I do believe you), but it would be nice to get some more information/confirmation of what you're saying. If this is actually true, it is something that you need to get to Dem politicians & the media.

Hired in Houston by Halliburton. I worked at Tallil air base near Nasiryah from Jan - May 2005 and worked at Scania FOB near Diwaniyah from Feb-Aug 2006. I worked as a plumber at both bases and helped construct and maintain living areas for soldiers and civilian employees.

I have tried to get this story out before but no one seemed to care.

I witnessed rampant waste and near slave labor conditions for TCN and LN employees.

I am not willing to post my personal documents here but I would be glad to answer any questions to prove what I say is true.

This is perhaps the most important information on the DU site and collective internet today and as far as I can see ten votes for 'Greatest Page' is all this is getting. Pathetic.

Will Iran be next ?
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200412/fallows

They've planned it out and wargamed it an it STILL is a failure yet once again it's full speed ahead.

BTW, has Sen Leahy heard about KBR's plans ? See related link to his proposed War Profiteering act on DU at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3052954

they don't seem to care.

I think he would be open to what you have to show him....

prior to our invasion of Iraq there were posts in GD containing information about Iraq being on Bush's plate before he was even selected in 2000. I'm too lazy to search the archives to post them. The OP here is just more info to add to that as a confirmation.

If Iraq was in heavy planning mode in 1998 or even prior, then it stands to reason KBR would have been planning bases by 2000.

what is life to these thugs it means nothing, as long as they achieve their ulimate goal. Geez, these people are monsters, greed/abuse of power/arrogance/ignorant fuels them.

Meet the Whack Iran Lobby. From much of the same crime gang that brought you Iraq. Should all sound very nauseatingly familiar to all.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2871945

start a new thread

:hi:

and send it to Kerry, Dodd,Biden, I don't know who the best person would be..maybe not even them...but it is MAJORLY IMPORTANT THAT IT GETS OUT NOW!!!!!!!

Going into Iran would be the 3rd front in a 3rd war. The first front is in Afghanistan, and we are losing that war too.

lebannon/palestine is the 4th war
somalia is now the 5th war and
iran would be the 6th....
.. if we don't count the congo's corporate coltan wars that have murdered millions...

... and of course the drugs war.

The republicans specialize in starting and losing wars.

and somalia counts at the Horn of Africa campaign, on that started right after 9/11........

Just saying........

are spread out across southern lebannon... deadly forces indeed.

Your post just reminds us of how many sovereign campaigns are involving
US armed intervention, like national borders are really just nothing at all,
and the USA terrrorists can terrorize anyone without any law, from slaughtering
somali tribesman to afgani tribesman, from pakistan slaughtering its tribesman
on orders, to israel slaughtering lebannese ones on orders.... terrorism all
around from the terrorists.

There are so many fronts in the war to bankrupt america, its just a matter of time.

oil and to these slum the people are expendable like our troops, this is enough to make me :puke: those are innocent people out there, and there are so many Armenian-Christian people out there, along with other people who have not done us any harm they are beautiful people with beautiful children, how can these thugs do this I hope one day or some day justice will be done to these thugs who have caused so much death and destruction for their greed and abuse of power.

I believe he would listen--and it could help a lot.

but, as someone here pointed out, all I have is hearsay to offer. Nothing concrete.

he would appreciate it.

be able to get more information. Also, if no one in the House or Senate happens to know about this, you will be preforming an important service for us all. Thanks.

PNAC is a bunch of think-tankers, and the military can only do so much. Money has to be made for the plan to truly come off.

Go find a Nation article titled "The Men from JINSA and CSP." It has Perle giving a slide show to the Pentagon that had "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot, and Egypt as the prize." Hell, the Axis of Evil - Iran, Iraq and North Korea - is in the International section of the 2000 GOP platform.

They want it, no doubt. The question, in the current climate, is whether they can have it. They made the seemingly easy choice to do Iraq first, and bungled it. If they wanted Iran, they should have gone there first.

tea party. I don't buy this at all. I am not calling you a liar, I am saying people were having jokes at your expense. Remember I am not calling you a liar.

First things first, KBR are enablers, i.e. they drive trucks, they serve food, they build infrastructure. They do not conduct Black Ops in any way shape or form. That is the realm of Blackwater, Open Canopy and Custer Battles, I have had some dealings with those gentleman as well, anyone wants to know they can PM me, I don't talk about those guys on an open unsecured forum. As I have stated beforehand I also worked with contractors during my last OIF tour, my platoon was assigned to the KBR guys to escort supplies around. KBR might be unethical and frakked up, but they are not in the know about future military ops. In fact if they were in the know of future military ops they would be serious OPSEC violations to consider. Secondly, what areas in Iraq are secret? I'm totally serious with this particular question. In two tours I have traveled the length and breadth of Iraq from Safwan to Zakho and at no time have I ever heard of, seen or been told of an area that is now secret.......

Next let's talk maps. My current office where I work right now has maps of Iraq, Iran, north Korea and Syria. On all those maps are pieces of acetate that have graphics drawn on them. What are these graphics? They are part of wargaming sessions that my Company commander has conducted with the battalion staff during OPD (Officer Personal Development) sessions. That is a red herring, the real story is this...... I don't talk about my time in Iraq a lot for obvious reasons, I don't like to, but I will share this with you. In 2005 m second tour we spent several months at Camp Caldwell which is in Diyala province near the Iranian border, we spent a lot of time on the border of Iran, we were interdicting smugglers, both weapons, explosives and drugs. We had Ops graphics in the battalion TOC which had arrows going into Iran from Halabjah down to our AO. Those graphics were the known infil/exfil routes that the smugglers were using. Since KBR was doing the transporting of Kurdish militias to the border I would believe they would be quite aware of what areas to avoid where they might get ambushed.

Finally the statement from the KBR gentleman, given the fact that French, British, Chinese and Russian spy satellites to name a few pass over Iraq everyday, it would be nigh impossible to conceal the construction of bases in eastern Iraq. Especially given the rising tensions with Iran, massive construction in Kirkuk, Diyala, or Sulimaniyah provinces would be seen and someone would either have leaked to the western media, the UN or the Iranians. It is quite impossible to hide staging bases, in 2003 Saddam with no spy satellites and no Air Recon knew exactly where our Prepositioning bases were in the Kuwaiti desert. He knew the location enough to shoot Scuds, Tel-B's, Scarab's and Frog's at us.

One final point US military doctrine states that we conduct offensive operations when there is a new moon to minimize illumination and give our night fighting superiority an extra boost. According to Lunar data, the new moon starts on the 18th. That means there is a six day window to actually start the attack. Given that the carriers will not be fully in place before February, not to mention any of the surge personnel, I find it hard to believe we are attacking Iran. There will be no reinforcements in place, the beefed up Navy presence will still be deploying and the lunar data does not favor us. We might very well attack Iran, but I would bet my Army career a mid level KBR guy didn't know the plan 2 years before it happened.

Again I am not saying you are a liar, but some people definitely pulled your chain......

Like I said in the OP, anything I heard in Iraq was run through the bullshit detector. Having said that, I think you either misunderstood my origingal post or I wasn't clear enough in explaining. The secret area I referred to was an office that my boss, a person with no security clearance, was allowed to go into. It wasn't a secret base or a large area in Iraq.

The maps he claimed to see were in this room and it is my understanding that this was a high level KBR office. The information, if true, would indicate that KBR had foreknowledge of a pre-planned invasion into Iran and had already made plans for the troop support aspect of it.

Having been there, you know how much private contractors have become intwined in the military functions. Private contractors are responsible for everything from logistics, housing, feeding, waste disposal, laundry, even entertainment of the troops. There is nothing the military does, that does not include private contractors.

The site this was allegedly witnessed, Tallil Air Base, is the site of KBR't top managerial functions in Iraq. The Project Manager for LOGCAP II and III works there as do all of the senior administrative management for the project. The PM, when I left, was a retired military officer, as were several of the KBR management.

If what I was told is true, it makes perfect sense that the military's infrastructure suppliers (KBR) would be in the loop about future endeavors. Again, I don't know if the guy was bullshitting me or bragging trying to impress me but he is not the only person who told me that KBR had advanced knowledge invasions.

I just thought it was interesting that events seem to be converging to make his allegation seem more factual.

As to the timing of the invasion in January of 2007, you, as a former military person know, that plans change as conditions do. I stated in a previous post that in the 2003 post invasion euforia, that military planners may have envisioned a stable Iraq and massive popular support for a continued jaunt into Iran. It may be that the situation on the ground and at home has forced the neo-cons to revise or scrap their plans.

I hope so.

If in 2003, there were plans to insert forces from Iraq into Iran, it would have to involve KBR because that was the only company that was then judged able to carry out the oil-field repair function of the LOGCAP sole-source contract. A ground invasion of Iran from Iraq would go through Khuzistan, which contains the greatest density of oil wells and pipelines in Iran -- in itself, a natural target, as it was during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. There would be plenty of work for KBR,so why not bring them in on the planning.

The only thing that really stands out for me as being not quite on-target is the January 2007 start date. Why wait four years to roll the show into Iran? The Iraqi resistance really didn't start until late Fall 2003, and the assumption earlier in the year was that everything in Iraq would be pretty much wrapped up by the next summer.

I know I'm asking you to speculate here about matters you may not have discussed with your boss, but maybe you can take a stab at addressing this point? Also, I think some of us would still like to see some sort of document from KBR - without personal identifiers, if you please.

and figure out how to use my new scanner copier. I just installed the software. So, hopefully it won't be long.

"One final point US military doctrine states that we conduct offensive operations when there is a new moon to minimize illumination and give our night fighting superiority an extra boost. According to Lunar data, the new moon starts on the 18th. That means there is a six day window to actually start the attack. Given that the carriers will not be fully in place before February, not to mention any of the surge personnel, I find it hard to believe we are attacking Iran. There will be no reinforcements in place, the beefed up Navy presence will still be deploying and the lunar data does not favor us."

I remember these types of arguments about the build up before the Iraq war. The US Army went into Iraq with a whole armored division still on their ships, because Turkey wouldn't let them unload. Everyone was swearing up and down that the attack wouldn't start until after those tanks were off the ships in Kuwait. Really, the question of timing can't be figured out by those not in the know. The real question is it actually going to happen? I don't think it would be a good idea to attack Iran at this point, but I'm not making the decisions.

didn't change the fact that 4ID being in the Red Sea at the time of invasion did not violate mission planning. Go back look at the Moon illum in Mid to late March 2003. Those of us getting ready to deploy knew the war was about to start whether 4ID was on the ground or not. The moon illum was perfect, we would not have that chance again until May 2003.......... And sorry to disagree no one in authority said 4ID had to be fully deployed to begin.......

scary shit, man....scary shit.

This post is a real eye-opener. K6R

I personally know of someone who has been involved in the planning. The story that I heard was that this person was paid a lot of money to come up with a plan, which he did, and they didn't like it, so they paid him a bunch more money to come up with a different plan. Sound familiar?

For those who are calling on the OP to send this info to members Congress, I don't think it's any big secret, bids went out from the Pentagon to several defense contracting companies for a plan to attack Iran, this is SOP for many countries that could potentially be hostile to the U.S. The problem is, they are using these plans for pre-emptive action, a big constitutional no-no.

no doubt.


Scott Ritter:

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-31.htm

The US cannot sustain it's presence sufficiently in Iraq. Some Republican members of congress are already balking at the "surge". I have a gut that an Iranian offensive would trigger an expidited and hurried impeachment of both Cheney and Bush.

playing the game when i listen to this shit. i always feel the need for a health robust army before invading. but i have watched my forces being reduced to one on some attacks. the part i hadn't thought of is hamas. hamas said during Israel/Lebanon thing last year that they had nothing against the u.s. and they haven't attacked us. but this will change that. not something i look forward to an a part of fighting iran many dont consider, but that is part of their military strategy, whether we like that type of war or not.

to look that way. It is very disturbing to know that Corporations know and are involved with invading nations/starting wars and Congress is not.

Loose lips sink ships - and I wonder how busted that guy would be for telling someone without clearance.

I remember you from 2004. I know you have integrity, courage, and the conviction of your beliefs. I know you are speaking the truth.

I will not reprint Mortos' personal name. If you're that interested, look for it.

For anyone who doubts, here is what he wrote back in 2004:

I refuse to be afraid to speak my mind in my own country.

I served my country in the military for 5 years. I wore the uniform. I was willing to sacrifice my life for the ideals this country was founded on. I will not be cowed by the bullies who run this country or the partisan cowards who support them.

As I write this, tears stream down my cheeks. Tears for the men and women who are dying in our name. Tears for poor and hard working Americans who may never get out of poverty. Tears for the hateful racist, mysogynistic, homophobic nation we appear to be. Tears for my daughter and the children of this country. Tears of anger.

Take my name. Write it down. Do with it what you will you fucking freepers and government agents.

I will not hide behind an alias. I will not be ashamed of my party affilliation or my political beliefs. I will not quietly stand by as my country is diminished.

I AM NOT AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

And neither should my 55 million compatriots who proudly stood up and said, "Enough."

This is my country and I will fight for her.

I will fight goddammit.

I know, Mortos, you would not have posted this "planning invasion" thread unless you had the best interests of this country at heart. Now I am truly worried.

:patriot:

As a long-time (still young) Catalan/Canaries/Spanish-resident Celtic Brit.

Some things are worth, truly, defending.

I just want to point out that this conversation is alleged to have taken place in 2003, when circumstances were quite a bit different than they are now, politically and militarily. I grant that such plans were probably on somebody's drawing board in 2003--the government has military contingency plans for every conceivable military scenario there is--but it doesn't mean that they can be transported into 2007 with anything like success. There are many, many factors would now restrain a successful invasion of Iran; of course, if Chimpy is feeling suicidal, that may be another matter.

I also just want to note an inconsistency in the OP's post:

He disagreed and told me that the war with Iran was planned way back in 2003.

You say you were told this in 2003; so is the year stated in the above sentence incorrect?

The person I spoke to said he saw this information in 2003. He was in Iraq at Tallil Air Base at that time. He relayed the story to me in 2005 and again in 2006 when I worked for him in Iraq.

What are you saying is inconsistent?

You said you were there in 2005-06. I misread and thought you were there in '03.

I distinctly remember General Wesley Clark stating that the plan was Iraq, then Iran, Syria, etc and he stated that BEFORE the illegal invasion of Iraq. He talked about visiting the Pentagon just after 9/11 and the plans for Iraq were already in the works. He talked of the PNAC plan of toppling country after country in the Middle East, some through attacks, some through fomenting rebellion among the citizens.

When we take what you have posted, what General Clark has said, add Scott Ritter's certainty that Iran is the next target and then add, as well, Krugman's take on it and, finally, bush's speech, it sure looks like a go to me, at least as far as the bush cabal is concerned.

Merely because it makes no sense to us in terms of why? and how? doesn't mean they will not do it, imo. This is the LAST opportunity for them to attempt to accomplish the PNAC objectives and they are determined and desperate enough to go through with it, imo.

I believe a strike January may still be on. Another poster recently reported that the British have "commandos" that are going to be patrolling the Iranian border looking for suppliers to insurgents. The thing that struck me was the mention of them living out of open top Land Rovers for several weeks at a time in the desert to do this. Now don't get me wrong, the Royal Marine Commandos COULD do this but there is another regiment the British have that this sort of thing is made for and is how the regiment originated and that's the SAS. From what little i know of suspected Iranian nuclear sites they're mostly situated between Tehran and the Gulf coast which also happens to be the south east area that these "commandos" are supposed to be active in. My guess is they're already there for recon and whatever guidance devices are used for smart bombs to home in on. They certainly have the skills, including language skills, and this is the same role they were used for in the first Gulf War to find Scud missile sites.

I hope i'm wrong though.

As far as I am aware, either of these types certainly _could_ perform such a task.

But their officers went public to swear blind their mission was otherwise...

But it doesn't seem a viable way of conducting border controls with small teams camping out in the desert when i'd imagine there are more thorough ways of detecting convoys coming across the border.

Look at it this way, if Iran had said the same thing in response to US demands for action on the border, would these procedures be taken seriously by anyone?

And they'd hardly announce it in public either. If, i know it's a big if, they are there and nobody is caught how is anybody going to find out anyway? They get caught and Tony Blair will probably claim they were in pursuit of smugglers and crossed the border by accident providing it isn't a huge distance across.

This is pure speculation on my part in response to the opening thread, that's all.

Thanks for welcome BTW, i've lurked for a few weeks and it's always nice for people to acknowledge a new poster as it helps put me at ease which i can't say about other places i've visited.

Please feel welcome, and hang in here :hi:

However, sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.(Or words to that affect.) Maybe that was his original plan...but I bet it's all been reduced to pure bluster. (Bluster = Bull Sh**)

What an incredible post.

I often wondered what happened to you. Good to know you're okay.

If they're insane enough to invade Iran, they're insane enough to use nukes.
I don't see it any other way. This is insane!

impeachment is definitely in order. I have been against impeachment up to now for reasons that it would further solidify the division between reds and blues. however, this type of unilateral bullshit is fascism. I think we have Hitler re-incarnated in this administration.

I am forwarding your post, mortos, to all my friends, family (even the freepers). I hope they will continue to forward your post to friends, family, congressmen and senators, and media. this has got to get out in the public eye, into the light, NOW!

BTW, what is PNAC?

thanks for your courage, mortos.
peace to all,
Robert

Whether this story is true or not, I think that those who have the technical know how or contacts, owe it to everyone on DU to help Mortos get this story out there, rather than sit here and debate on the dates or time line.

A story like this is just too big for us to sit on.

Now I am just an ordinary John Doe DUer, and do not have the knowledge or pre-this or post-that. I do have the power to send this link to every person I know on the planet.

Mortos, I seriously commend you for coming forward with this story. I also hope for heavens sake that you are wrong, but I know in my heart that you are not. I ask you Mortos, as an ordinary DUer, PLEASE contact the press! Let skinner and everyone else on the board put you in contact withe press to get this story out there! Please get your documentation lined up! As you can well see by that the actions of the few can rip a story from the headlines before it even hits the press. If you do not have your software installed for your scanner, go to Kinkos for goodness sake, but get your documentation out there and ready.

Strike while the iron is hot.

No one there seemed interested in even contacting me back. I mainly wanted the information out there in the blogosphere in case anything does happen, the story was there before the action.
The media seems to have become reactive rather than proactive.

I commented before, Im a military guy, everything you told me is easily explained, thus why you have gotten no bites from the media.

Again my .02 cents, someone was pulling your chain, hard.........

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/14/iran.us/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

White House: Can't rule out attack on Iran
POSTED: 2:11 p.m. EST, January 14, 2007

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• White House says no attack planned against Iran, but won't rule out possibility
• National security adviser Stephen Hadley says diplomacy should resolve issues
• Hadley won't say whether he believes move on Iran would need congressional OK
• Iran says U.S. detention of Iranians in Iraq is "illegal"

Today's article on CNN confirms everything Mortos has reported.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House said Sunday it is not planning military action against Iran, but refused to rule out the possibility, bucking pressure from several senators who said the administration is not authorized to do so.

Asked whether the United States is preparing for a potential military conflict with Iran, President Bush's national security adviser Stephen Hadley told NBC's "Meet the Press," "No, the president has said very clearly that the issues we have with Iran should be solved diplomatically."

But, on ABC's "This Week," Hadley would not rule out the possibility of such an attack and would not say whether he agrees with those senators who say that the Bush administration would need congressional backing for such a move.

The sharp questioning about U.S. plans for Iran followed Bush's address to the nation Wednesday night announcing his strategy for Iraq, in which he vowed the United States "will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq." (Full story)

The Bush administration accuses Iran of sending fighters into Iraq and attacking U.S. troops. Tehran denies the charges.

"The priority is what's going on in Iraq," Hadley told ABC. "That's the place where the activity's occurring. That's the best place... for us to take this on."

Asked repeatedly whether the United States has the authority to enter Iran if it believes doing so would help prevent attacks, Hadley did not answer. Then came this exchange:

Host George Stephanopoulos: "So, you don't believe you have the authority to go into Iran?"

Hadley: "I didn't say that. This is another issue. Any time you have questions about crossing international borders, there are legal issues."

Several senators have voiced opposition to the idea of the United States entering Iran.

Last week, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a hearing on Iraq, "I believe the present authorization granted the president to use force in Iraq does not cover that, and he does need congressional authority to do that."

Rice did not rule out entering Iran or give a position on whether the Bush administration would need congressional approval.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, told Rice, "No one in our government can sit here today and tell Americans that we won't engage the Iranians and the Syrians cross-border."

More...http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/14/iran.us/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Please folks, when you write on blogs, spell out what an abbreviation means in the first paragraph so idiots like me know what you mean when you abbreviate!

When I see posts with something like KBR, I usually don't bother to read them if I don't know what they mean.

a subsidiary of Halliburton. KBR is a major civilian contractor to the military. Dick Cheney was the President of Halliburton prior to becoming vice president. He is, some skeptics believe, the reason that Halliburton got no-bid contracts to supply the military with logistics support. Halliburton's lucrative no-bid contract contributed billions to their profits over the past three years.

I wouldn't put it past such people to exaggerate. And my gut feelings regarding this administration is that they aren't anywhere near organized enough to plan something that far ahead of time.

On the other hand, it is the responsibility of the military to draw such plans up ahead of time. Even if they are never actually implemented. Yet, I'm not certain if this requires informing all of the military contractors years ahead of time as well.

I suppose the question comes down to whether or not they simply had plans to invade Iran should it become needed, or if they were simply planning to invade Iran.

then the stating of a specific month and year kind of overrides basic military planning for contingencies. If it was just war planning, why would the person mention a specific month and year for an invasion?

And a wounded animal is always more dangerous. Considering the beating Bush has taken in 06, another invasion is a distinct possibility.

we had spies going into Iran and the talk was to get the dirt on where to bomb.

That said - see my post way up at the top.

I think you are foolish to reveal yourself in this forum. You should document this stuff to close friends and legal types and have someone follow you constantly so that you don't disappear.

I believe that Iran was part and parcel of the plan - oil and water pipelies from Pakistan to the Mediterranean, but especially to Israel to be owned-part owned for decades by friends and sponsors of politicians.

But, this is not the forum - you must work more clandestinally, if you speak the truth.

You could be picked up very fast whether or not you speak the truth. They can't do much about that Russian Admiral quoted in a parallel thread, they could do plenty with you - former employee, their documents, etc.

should i tell my friends and family to evacuate major cities ?

what is the 9-11 these neocons have got up their sleeves this time ?

bastards ! 9-11 2.0 ? it's mandatory if these plans are to become manifest.

-s