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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:43 AM Original message |
This cartoon flap is quickly becoming a very big deal. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. The cartoon speaks for itself |
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Geoff R. Casavant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You're confusing the cartoons |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Free speech is a human right |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Would you still say that if |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. A cartoon cannot "cause" anybody to do anything |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Exactly. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Thank you Squatch |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The cartoons are mild and pretty humorous |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
56. I'm not so sure... |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I would still say that. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Cartoons don't "cause someone to attack", they chose to. Here is one carto |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That's the only one that doesn't seem to be pushing an agenda |
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Rainbow gatherer (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Now if a conservative forwards this thread to a jihadist... |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. That's absurd |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. the cartoon causes someone to attack a Muslim or vandalize a mosque |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. or if the response of muslim government officials caused masked gunmen |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
105. I would say that person was looking for an excuse |
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radwriter0555 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
48. HATE speech is not the speech of the free. Hitler used the same techniques |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. I have heard of this toon but haven't yet seen it,,can anyone show |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Look here: |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Thanks for the look although it wasn't ez distinguishing which |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. I can see both sides |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Yes, but then answer this.... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Ok, then one question |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. But you didn't answer my question.... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I really think there is a difference between politics and religion |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I'm not a believer, but my point still stands... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I never said I advocated violence |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Huh? |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. I just don't believe a Democratic nation should be beholden to |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. European press must not give in here! |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. denmark is owed the apology if you ask me! |
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eggman67 (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. "Ask a Jew or a Christian... |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
65. Similar semitic caricatures |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Similar semitic caricatures are used by the Arab |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
96. Sure - protest all you want |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
95. Oh hell, we all remember "PissChrist" |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
94. I just don't think believers have a right to regulate the lives |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Hold on just a second... |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. you should read this DU post from Norway about the cartoon and free speech |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. thanks for the link! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. according to the law only muslims are |
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izzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
16. Looks that way |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
91. There was the iconoclastic controversy in the Christian Church... |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. I agree, and only have deep dread that European |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. PBS showed them last night on the Newshour so I guess we're in it too |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
29. Western Governments are posting the cartoons? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Good question! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
34. this is clearly a press freedom issue>>>>> |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. This is how I see it too. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
37. This is a media driven crisis |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
38. At first.. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. What if 12 non-christian asian countries |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Did you know... |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. I still don't think that's the issue. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'm neither condemning nor supporting.. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. Of course you can |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
98. It's not verboten |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Anti-Christian or Anti-Jewish cartoons? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
97. What if they did? |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
39. A client of mine is a devout Muslim woman is sweet, kind, |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. that is amusing |
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phylny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yes, amusing and, amazingly, evidently |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Jesus and Mary are often portrayed on movies, tv |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Remember what the Southern Xtians did to John Lennon.... |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. That was a long time ago. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Muslims who are going bat shit over this |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-03-06 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. well good for the danish gov't |
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esbelt (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I repeat my message |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 07:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How sad. |
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clyrc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
51. This is so very frustrating |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
52. The War is On... |
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Ani Yun Wiya (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
89. WOW |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
53. I understand that Muslims |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. It's the 'graven image' thing in Muslim thought |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. The cartoons are the moral equivalent of lighting a cross |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
87. Check out post 47. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
101. There would be boycotts, protests and prayer vigils |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. But why should non-Muslims be expected to follow Islamic rules? |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. The point is the defamation of a minority. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'm not seeing the defamation or hate speech, |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Not "unflattering" - |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I used "unflattering" because I don't agree |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Exactly, but wouldn't the Catholics I mentioned have a right to be angry |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Editorial published today in Gulfnews,,,, |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. I said that Muslims could be as angry as they wanted... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
106. I don't think it is milder... it depicts the prophet as a terrorist |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Your opinion may differ from mine, of course |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
100. Muslims have every right to regulate Muslim art and artists. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. There are a billion muslims |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Right, but Islam has a strict sanction against it... |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I agree |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. I have seen the reaction one might expect (full-range) |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. But is it the CONTENT and INTENT |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
88. I agree, too. |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Thou shalt make no graven images |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
58. Religious zealots are the problem, they can stick it. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
61. As a Christian |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Did newspapers in non-Christian countries |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. per earlier posts, |
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redherring (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
81. You know, Muslims don't make fun of Jesus |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I "have a theory " - the word "fun" doesnt exist in that religion |
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redherring (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I see them dancing |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
102. Gimme a break. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
103. Dearest Ksec, please permit me to say |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. I think you have a point |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-04-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Yes, but you have to remember that |
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