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ZAHN: Tonight, we take you inside a huge controversy brewing over a political cartoon that has the country's top military brass up in arms.
The U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff thinks the drawing about the U.S. military is way out of bounds. So, we're asking the cartoonist, what was he thinking?
The cartoon ran in Sunday's "Washington Post." It shows a bandaged soldier with both arms and legs amputated. The doctor, who is Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, says, "I'm listing your condition as battle-hardened." The cartoon is a response to something Rumsfeld said last week.
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DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: It's not that this armed force is broken, but that this armed force is enormously capable.
In addition, it is battle-hardened. It is not a peacetime force that has been in barracks or garrisons.
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ZAHN: The cartoon provoked a rare letter to "The Post"'s editor signed by every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, calling it reprehensible and beyond tasteless. They deplored what they called a callous depiction of those who volunteered to defend this nation and, as a result, suffered traumatic and life-altering wounds."
Today, Secretary Rumsfeld ducked the issue.
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RUMSFELD: I'm not going comment on their letter, except -- except to say that, in my view, they have the right to do that. As to the cartoon...
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ZAHN: Well, he thought long and hard before pointing out that, throughout U.S. history, political cartoonists and critics have been, in his words, vicious.
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RUMSFELD: That's -- that's the way it is here. It comes with the territory, I guess, is all I can say.
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ZAHN: And joining me now from "The Washington Post" newsroom to tell us what he was thinking when he drew the cartoon, Pulitzer Prize- winning editorial cartoonist Tom Toles.
Thanks so much for joining us, Tom.
TOM TOLES, EDITORIAL CARTOONIST, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Thank you, Paula.
ZAHN: So, you have heard what the Joint Chiefs of Staff said about your cartoon, that it was a callous depiction of soldiers who have suffered life-altering wounds.
How do you justify using war casualties to make a political point?
TOLES: The way I look at it is this. Secretary Rumsfeld dismissed two serious reports about the damage that has been done to the U.S. Army and -- with the expression that it was battle-hardened. My feeling was that, in light of the damage that has been done to the Army, and the catastrophic suffering that has happened to a lot of American soldiers, that that expression did not appropriately cover the situation. And the cartoon was about my response to his -- his comment.
ZAHN: But you were accused of also making light of some of the life-threatening injuries these soldiers have sustained. What specifically were you trying to provoke, basically, by showing a depiction of a quadruple amputee?
TOLES: I have heard a lot about this cartoon in the last day.
And I think it was best put by a disabled woman who called me today from California. And she said that she looked at the cartoon, and she found it very painful. On the other hand, she also said that she support -- understood the point of the cartoon, supported the cartoon, and said, yes, it is a painful cartoon, but it is a painful reality.
And a depiction of a situation, a reality, a set of facts, is not the same thing as making fun of them. There was no intention to make light of the situation. I was trying to point out -- and I felt I did point out -- the seriousness of the situation.
ZAHN: When you drew this, though, you had to understand you were going to be criticized for it, right? That was -- that had to be in -- in your thinking.
TOLES: It was in my thinking.
It is also my thinking almost every day that I draw a cartoon. And the days that it is not in my thinking, I -- I stop and think, if no one -- no one could possibly take offense or issue with this cartoon, is it a cartoon that really makes its point effectively or with -- with enough strength?
ZAHN: Well, Tom Toles, we appreciate your helping us understand your side of the story. Thank you for joining us.
TOLES: Thank you, Paula.
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ZAHN: And here is one more thing.
The deputy communications director for the Disabled American Veterans says he was certainly not offended by the cartoon and adds that it has raised awareness of critically ill patients who need our attention.
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