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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:47 PM
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Is Hagel getting ready to switch parties?
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 02:48 PM by NNN0LHI
It sure seems like he is leaning that way. I would welcome him into the Democratic party in a NY minute.

Don
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:48 PM
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1. No.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:08 PM
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15. No WHY?
He seems to be DISGUSTED with the rTHUG party.

Hey... why not dump the LOOOooOOooOOOOOOSERS and join the WINNERS?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:30 PM
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25. He might be disgusted with the bush** administration's Iraq
fiasco but he's a republican through and through. Look at his record. That's why I'm puzzled. Look at his record. He's nothing anywhere near a dem, even a conservative one. He'd be like Joe Liebermann if he switched parties.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:48 PM
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2. I hope he does too. Plus it'd sure up the lead in the Senate.
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jensmygov Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:49 PM
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3. Holy Joe
We could send him packing!!!!!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:33 PM
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27. You got that right.
Then we won't have to worry about La Lieberman.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:50 PM
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4. I'd easily trade him for Lieberman in a straight deal.
I wouldn't even ask for a player to be named later!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:50 PM
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5. Why?
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:12 PM
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21. Why folks are forgetting who Hagel is mystifies me.
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 03:38 PM by Rosemary2205
Good all in one resource thanks. Why so many dems are embracing him only because he's anti-Iraq seems really odd to me.


Edit to correct a "moranic" mistake in title.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:36 PM
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29. Nothing wrong with working with any Republican on an area of mutual interest
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 03:36 PM by Strawman
But please, let's not get carried away. The guy is not on the brink of becoming a member of the Democratic party. Not if you think that ought to mean anything on any other issues at least.
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jumpoffdaplanet Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:39 PM
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33. It must be a trust issue
Some dems just can't trust other dems, they just have to have a rethug instead.

They did it with McCain. Hagel is just another McCain white knight come to recuse poor dems from themselves.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:53 PM
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6. As long as he's anti-war, he serves us just as well as a Repug
Actually, it's almost BETTER for us that way (compensates somewhat for Joe-mentum's unreliability).
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:53 PM
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7. i don't think so, but he's doing a good thing ...
I think he's trying to shake the necon riff-raff out of the party. Hagel is probably a Goldwater Republican; I'm guessing that he and many others are sick to their stomachs over what has happened to the party and sees an opportunity to fix the party to make it more centrist.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:54 PM
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8. I really doubt it. I wish he would just so we could tell Lieberman to
take a hike, but Charles Timothy Hagel isn't going to switch parties. He's running for prez, knows THE PEOPLE are against the invasion and wants to ride on the anti-war band wagon the Democrats have built. He started out all for the invasion, but has since changed his stance...BEFORE Hillary did, I might add.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:56 PM
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9. No. At best he might pull a Joe and go (I)
But no, just can't see him leaving the Republican Party under any circumstances. He's likely to side with Dems re the Iraq policies, but unlikely to side with Dems on little else.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:58 PM
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10. This guy gets high scores from the Moral Majority and the Club for Growth
He at least has some principle in speaking out against the war, which he has been doing for almost 4 years now. 30-40 years ago, there would have been another 8-10 Republicans joining him, but the rest of the party has moved so far to the right and is so focused on power that his position seems maverick. But, other than the war, he is as far right as the rest of the GOP.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:58 PM
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11. Hagel used to be head of EES voting systems
.... and the first time he ran as senator in Neb. he won a seat that had
been in dem hands for 40 + years .... funny thing was that even African American
districts in Omaha for the first time ever voted for a republican.

He is very damaged good.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:09 PM
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17. Every one of his votes were counted by ES&S.
He's a criminal.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:58 PM
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12. No, he is getting ready to run for president. n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:01 PM
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13. I read that Hagel may not run for re-election
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:07 PM
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14. He's extremely conservative
and very far from being pro choice. Maybe I or Libertarian but not Dem.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:10 PM
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18. There are plenty of conservative Democrats too..

If Hagel wants to jump ship --- what the hell -- let him jump.

Sign here and dump the rTHUGS Chucko -->
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:08 PM
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16. No, just setting up the democrat's.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:13 PM
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22. Tweety sure doesn't think so..
Seems to think Hagel will link up with a Democratic candidate in '08.

Hey, don't scream at me.

Matthews and his political pundits said it ---
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:13 PM
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23. Right...trying to take the anti-war stance away since MOST OF AMERICA is against the invasion.
He has seen the light. The Democrats need to DO something like get the hell out of Iraq.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:12 PM
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19. I thought he was setting himself up to run in '08.
He knows which way the wind is blowing; he has announced he will 'retire' after his term expires. He's out to beat mccain.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:12 PM
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20. I sure hope he is not
and I will tell you why... on domestic issues he is right to Atila the Hun
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:15 PM
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24. Far out, just far out
Are WE that easily sent drooling after the "good Republicans", Mr. ES and S Hagel trying to maneuver past McCain and the Bush kingmakers? Dear Lord, is the one who pounds the nails lightly the person who should be Messiah?

Real world. Hagel's gambit is to be not Bush and all Republican, take control of the machinery and the money, probably for a Gingrich faction. He gains nothing by assuming greater fakery as a Democrat. He might get trashed by the Bush controlled GOP, but never ideologically and honestly become a Democrat.

He is leaning for a run at the presidency without Bush sponsorship. He is practically speaking a very far cry from leading a full party revolt against the dynasty. No one has the moral or ideological base to accomplish that personally or inside the party. No one is turning into an impeachment faction or counter to Bush policies that would forge real bi-partisan cooperation on any issue and on Iraq probably very narrowly. Small moves by a small party that I hope gets the representative smallness it deserves fitting inside a Capitol phone booth somewhere
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:32 PM
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26. I hope he waits until after we elect him President!!!!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:36 PM
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30. Until "who" is elected president?
Not sure who you're talking about...

Are you a Hagel '08 supporter?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:42 PM
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34. No ---- But I would be willing to vote for him if needed.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:47 PM
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35. Okey Dokie Artichokie...


Got it!
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:35 PM
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28. Hagel has been to the mountain top before but always manages to slide back down nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:36 PM
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31. No - but watch out for Unity tickets being pushed.
Biden was one of those who actually SUGGESTED McCain for VP in 2004. It was a manufactured storyline then, but there were some Dems amenable to the idea.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:39 PM
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32. Leaning Democratic? One stance does not a Democrat make.
From issues2000.org:

Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition
Rated 0% by NARAL
• Voted NO on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada.
• Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
• Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
• Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
• Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
• Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
• Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
• Supports anti-flag desecration amendment.
• Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore.
• Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy.
• Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
• Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy.
• Voted NO on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations.
• Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity.
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Palladin Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 04:05 PM
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36. Jim Webb changed parties, why not
Chuck Hagel? Both 'Nam vets, they've been there.
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Palladin Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 04:05 PM
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37. Jim Webb changed parties, why not
Chuck Hagel? Both 'Nam vets, they've been there.
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generaldemocrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 04:08 PM
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38. No, I don't believe he is....
He has said that he won't run for reelection in the Senate. He's definitely not running for pres because he is committing political suicide with his own party by taking such an objective, albeit correct, stance in regards to the War in Iraq.

I think Hagel is a good man, he knows he's in the twilight of his political career and wants to do the right thing with regards to Iraq before he leaves office.
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