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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:17 AM
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Egg on our faces and feets in our moufs. I hate when we do this...
Remember we were all up in arms about the fundies not allowing the park rangers at the Grand Canyon to discuss its geological age?
Er...
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-01-17.html

Unfortunately, in our eagerness to find additional examples of the inappropriate intrusion of religion in American public life (as if we actually needed more), we accepted this claim by PEER without calling the National Park Service (NPS) or the Grand Canyon National Park (GCNP) to check it. As a testimony to the quality of our readers, however, dozens immediately phoned both NPS and GCNP, only to discover that the claim is absolutely false. Callers were told that the Grand Canyon is millions of years old, that no one is being pressured from Bush administration appointees — or by anyone else — to withhold scientific information, and all were referred to a statement by David Barna, Chief of Public Affairs, National Park Service as to the park’s official position. “Therefore, our interpretive talks, way-side exhibits, visitor center films, etc. use the following explanation for the age of the geologic features at Grand Canyon,” the document explains.

If asked the age of the Grand Canyon, our rangers use the following answer: ‘The principal consensus among geologists is that the Colorado River basin has developed in the past 40 million years and that the Grand Canyon itself is probably less than five to six million years old. The result of all this erosion is one of the most complete geologic columns on the planet.’

Understandably, many of our readers were outraged by both the duplicity of the claim and our failure to fact check it. One park ranger wrote us:

You’re a day late and a dollar short on this one. As a national park ranger, I found most of PEER’s findings to be bogus. So have others: http://parkrangerx.blogspot.com

A Grand Canyon park interpreter wrote:

This is incorrect. I have NEVER been told to present non-science based programs. In fact, I received “talking points” demanding that Grand Canyon employees present programs BASED ON SCIENCE and that we must use the scientific version supported by the National Science Foundation and the National Academy of Sciences. As an interpreter I have shared the “creation” story of the Hopi people and the Paiute people because it is culturally relative. I used these stories as a tool to introduce the scientific story. Be confident there are good people running government, too.

One of our readers directly challenged Jeff Ruch, the Executive Director of PEER:

When I challenged that PEER guy to show me some evidence and provided him evidence to the contrary, he didn’t have much. I would say PEER did more than jump the gun. I’d say they are spreading misinformation.

Another Grand Canyon park interpreter offered this explanation:

Ruch’s attempts to insinuate a conspiratorial link between the NPS and organized religion are misguided and founded in fervent anti-Christian opposition, not reason or the law. Ruch’s anti-Judeo-Christian bias is evidence by his lack of opposition to GCA’s selling of Native American creation myths. His misinformation campaign aims to tarnish the reputation of the NPS to leverage his position that creationism books should not be sold in the GCA bookstore. I’ve emailed a few of my contacts at GRCA, and so far, all deny any conspiracy and all freely give the canyon’s age in education programs (as does all official GRCA print material). I’ll post updates as information becomes available. Until then, don’t believe everything you read.


:blush:

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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:31 AM
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1. Plenty of people bought and sold this happy horseshit here also.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:45 AM
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2. I know, I saw a lot of these threads.
This bothers me a lot... and I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it puts us on a similar level with some of the more 'out there' right-wing audiences...jumping on the bandwagon without looking to see if it's legit.
We believed it because we wanted to.
I'll grant you that with the anti-science, pro-creationism stance that this particular administration and its xtian fundy base has been touting, it was not much of a stretch. :shrug:

Still...:blush:
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:47 AM
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3. When you take the position "I don't believe anything "they" say
you leave yourself open to believe anything else. Some people are so "open-minded" their brains have fallen out.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:50 AM
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4. Jeff Ruch should be ashamed.
It's fucktarded behavior like this that only just reinforces the negative views of liberals and leftism in general.
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