SENATE JUDICIARY Gonzo Grilling Thread #4

Thread #1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3145945&mesg_id=3145945
Thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3146404
Thread #3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3146872
Webcast URL is here: http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

not by the powers that be, at least. Go Cardin!

...and Cardin is speaking with REAL passion. This is great!

SLAM!

...the voter issues. The false literature...and asking Gonzo what he has done.

Back to review when I have the time this deserves.

He is trying to off-load blame on the states/local govts...and Cardin reminded him his questions was about the FEDERAL voting rights law.

Go, Cardin, go!!

Voting is "precious", but it's a state & local issue.

Forget about federal level?

Sorry, just lazy today.:)

Now he admits he has a responsibility to ensure people are not discriminated against when it comes to voting.

Really? Then why haven't you done jack shit about it?!!@#$%^

:evilgrin:

Specter now making a statement re crime in his state.

Trap him in his web of lies!!! Shummer almost had him...

I wish Shummer went just "that" much further. Although, I am thoroughly appreciative of the exchange as it was.

Sounds like Cardin did a good job.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

Apparently, there are going to be so many hearings that, to me, this is the only way C-Span could offer them all to the public in a simultaneous fashion. Great to know this is available.

Btw, Cardin did an exceptional job for a freshman senator.

CSPAN 3 seems to broadcast junk most of the time.

excluding present company here at DU

Why not veto asked Specter.... He can't get the power unless Congress gives it to him...

Read it Gonzales....

...but IMO making his points about signing statements viz habeas corpus.

I wish I did not mistrust Specter so much so I could enjoy this more.

Violating common sense!?!?! Wow, I cannot believe that Specter came out and spanked Gonzo like that! I LOVE IT!!!!!!

:applause:

I wish I did not mistrust Specter so much so I could enjoy this more.

I had to check 2 times to make sure it was still him,

...looks like the kill on this.

I am loving this.

Specter is kicking his ass....

Hi fellow DUers :D

it has been a wild ride this morning... Great statements being made....:hi:

tortured. You knew he would not be tortured in Canada...this is great

Good one Spectre

Just tossing that out there.

...like I am. IMO, Leahy all but said the word "treason" about the way Bush has been conducting himself viz "upholding the law."

Wow! :wow:

...might want to start thinking about the 5th Amend!

Unbelievable!

than any other administration, then he quickly amended it to...

"Certainly, there are more, but...but...but..." before properly being cut off by Leahy.

"mistreated", "abused", even "tortured"?:evilgrin:

They got together with Gonzo beforehand to check his sleepnumber preferences. :)

music down to some lullabyes. What wimpy crappy representatives. The country is going down the tubes and they all come on and praise all the things THEY think are going right. Absolutely feigning bowing cowering submissive adoring CRAP. Those Republicans shouls be ashamed. This country is going down and they are humming sweet lullabyes to a dirty rotten lying Attorney General.

:toast:

Absolutely feigning bowing cowering submissive adoring CRAP.

humming sweet lullabyes to a dirty rotten lying Attorney General.

As a writing teacher, I so love it when people can put it into words.

:yourock:



Cher

imperfect country - that I once knew. Funny thing - the more angry I am, the fewer typos I have. Thanks.

It's late evening and I can't stop thinking about what I heard coming from his mouth this morning. It was scary. Why do we have to put up with that guy. Someone said Ashcroft was worse, but I say Gonzales is. By quantity and quality of outright evil and theft - Gonzales wins with me.

Pat Leahy literally torturing AG

What was his response to the question about signing statements please?

Can you say Halliburton?

to all those in the United States. Specter says that if it can only be taken away under invasion or rebellion, that means we have it. Gonzales says he disagrees with that. Specter told him he was going against common sense.

Now Specter is telling Gonzales he is lying about Bush not using signing statements more than other presidents, and brought out the numbers. Ha, ha!!

Gonzales said that conditions for taking away Habeus Corpus is in Constitution...but nothing about giving people the right to it?

stunning. Thanks for transcribing.

for the world to see. Disgusting little weasel!

... in ANY position of trust, particularly as a judge, AG, or even attorney!

He said that the Constitution does not confer a human right of habeas corpus. In making this corrupt claim, he's clearly implying that the role of the Constitution is to create or specify what human rights exist. IT'S NOT! In no way, shape, or form can the Constitution ever be seen as conferring human rights or civil liberties. Why? Because it's very existence is premised upon the pre-existing human rights to even write it!! Without the superior and pre-existing rights and liberties of human beings to establish their own government, no government can be regarded as morally legitimate.

The sole role of the Constitution is to establish a federal government and define its LIMITS! The federal government cannot legitimately overstep the boundaries established in the Constitution, and that includes the specific prohibition on abrogating the right of habeas corpus except VERY temporarily in the event of rebellion or insurrection - NEITHER of which exist!

When Gonzo attempted to abolish the claim to habeas corpus as not being established in the Constitution, he FOREVER proved himself corrupt and an enemy of our liberties and freedoms. NOTHING could more clearly indicate his corruption than that, imho.

I'm horrified at how glib this administration is about its warped views.

I really never dreamed before about 7 years ago that this country would fall so deeply into the pits of ignorance and criminality that this administration demonstrates daily.

I can imagine Jonathan Turley blowing a gasket over Gonzo's remarks. Anyone who'd make such remarks should NEVER be allowed to practice law, let alone graduate from law school. That Gonzo was on the Texas Supreme Court is testimony to the abject ignorance and deeply-embedded corruption in that state.

without paying attention to the laws we have. Am I correct for interpreting it that way?

But that was before I read Tahiti Nut's commentary (#124); in a nutshell, just because each & every human right isn't specifically mentioned in the Constitution, it doesn't give this administration the authority to do as it pleases.

and it's hard to make a case? ---> Leahy

To find out this stuff when the media can find it out.

...I am a lawyer and Leahy has Gonzo on dangerous grounds, IMO. I am hearing elements of "misprision of a felony."

JMHO

Edit to correct typo.

Gonzo: there needs to be a way to investigate


Well, I am sure the Waxman is on to that! :)

Thanks to all you DU'ers who are reporting.
Sounds like poor lil ole Gonzo is having a hard time. Tee hee.
I've recommended this as well as the previous 3 threads.
Edited to add I'm now watching Leahy absolutely demolish him.
Now they're going into recess.
WOW! :wow:

Asked about investigations by the attorney general's office.

"We're in a war zone; not easy to investigate," said Gonzo.

Leahy then brought up how Halliburton has served water with ecoli in it to the troops. The media found out about this, why can't you?

are being treated by our Government....

It is not executive privilage....

sent to Syria to be tortured.

Asking how come we never apologized to the man
and why is he still on terrorists watch list.
If he was found innocent, why is he still on watch list.

Gonzo says he has very strong views on this but he can't say
what they are right now. Can't do it today.
stutter, stutter, stutter... just can't do it.

Leahy is livid, red face & raised voice in this segment.

I didn't see the full hearing, but the Leahy segment made Gonzo the most uncomfortable. It was quite obvious that he couldn't deal with Leahy's line of questioning. His comfort zone, the Republican stronghold, isn't there for him anymore.

Leahy WHY???

Gonzo's rattled.

Leahy: Why not, you are not under Executive privilege

detained here and deported to Syria. Sent thousands of miles away to Syria, held for 10 months, Canadian commission found he had no connections to terrorism, and was tortured in Syria. Canadians have apologized for their part in the debacle, people resigned, we have not apologized. Justice Dept had approved his trip to Syria, still in on our Watch List.

Why is he on the Govt Watch list when found innocent by Canadians? Gonzo is not at liberty to discuss this - Why? Leahy asks, not a matter of executive privilege. WHY??? Leahy asks. Why was he sent to syria?

Leahy is yelling at him!

Practically shouting.

beneath dignity of our country to send someone to another country to
be tortured.

Does he answer their questions and listen to their comments strictly out of courtesy?

...he is freaking beating him with the business end of a belt!

This is A-freaking-mazing! :wow:

That Canadian man who was found innocent by Canada, who had our intelligence, was sent to Syria. WHY? YOU KNEW HE'D BE TORTURED!

Holy Cow is he mad!

We knew damn well he wouldn't be tortured if he was sent to Canada.
And we knew damn well he would be tortured if he went to Syria

Laying into Gonzolas heavy

YELLING!!! We knew damn well if he went to Canada he would NOT be tortured. Go, Leahy!! I love this man!!

"Why are we receiving assurances from Syria, who we won't talk to because we don't trust what they say!?"

We need to clean our country up...Starting with the top....

I'll get you more info next week.

the Executive Branch". He was specifically asked during his nomination hearing whether he would be independent and serve as the Attorney General for the people and not the president. He vowed he would.

Talking about Meher Arar--finally got tired of Gonzo's BS. He's cutting him off and is now demanding the long-delayed briefing paper. Just told him he's got one week to get it to him or there'll be another hearing.

GO LEAHY!!! :applause:

And you knew DAMN WELL that he WOULD be tortured in Syria

flight in another thread.

Leahy yelling at Gonzo - this should be re-played on every news program tonight. Won't be, but it should be the leading story.

Memo to Chucklenuts and Dead Eye - this aint's your repugs lapdog Congress. Get used to it.

During the lunch break Gonzales will need to consult with a physician to get Leahy's foot removed from his ass.

We are seeing the promise of November 7th today.

"During the lunch break Gonzales will need to consult with a physician to get Leahy's foot removed from his ass."

:rofl:

Damn, that was good.

He's gained some stature in my mind just from that.

It's about time somebody got openly angry at the sleazy, corrupt, and criminal bastard! Gonzales is one of my top candidates for life imprisonment. He's an outright enemy of the Constitution and war criminal, every bit as much as the appallingly corrupt judicial facilitators of the Third Reich.

that they will not torture him??? He says he is angry, Canada is wondering what is happening to us. You take an oath of office to protect peoples' rights.

What's this all leading to? Thanks for info for us "cube rats.":)

and soon. They have a lot of territory to cover and a lot of unanswered questions.

It has to start somewhere, and here it is!

I'm so damn proud of our new Congress.

republicans are no longer in charge.

His stonewalling isn't going to help him anymore. It can only lead to other fine tools the Democrats now have: subpoena power & impeachment.

for a briefing & then will come after him with another hearing....I love this man! Smooch!!

So we can have more BBQ Gonzales again? I have to admit, this was great today... Compared to the Republicans just saying the same old talking points, the Democrats threw down today....

I half expected Leahy to say he was going to slap subpoenas on his ass!

Thank you, Sen. Leahy...for shoveling out the shit and wiping off the crap that BushCo has buried our nation in.

Thank you, thank you, thank you...words fail me.

Edit for typo

thanking him. I don't know where this country would be if the Democrats hadn't regained a majority & if Senator Leahy didn't press his convictions into action. We were on the brink of complete fascism.

time?

Leahy was out of patience with him, gonzo came empty handed to a hearing for which he knew he would be challenged on all this stuff. there is no excuse for him to have another week on something like that case.

:woohoo:

That was Excellent!

Is this what the beginning of holding people accountable looks and sounds like? I'd forgotten. This feels sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good.:-)

little twit accountable for his willingness to subvert the constitution
of our country in the name of national security.

This, folks, is a my idea of a hero.

his pants or be busy puking his guts out during that time. :rofl:
This is priceless!

that the WH stocked up on over the past couple of months.

That was brutal!

But the reverberations of the savage dressing down that Leahy just gave the little shit will echo. Probably spoiled Gonzo's lunch!

I LOVE LEAHY!!!! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Does he eat and throw up...not eat and just down tranqs...and how long will it take him to get a staffer to run to the local drug store to get him a supply of Depends or this afternoon's hearing?

I AM LOVING THIS ~~ IT IS ABOUT TIME THOSE ARROGANT, LYING BASTARDS GOT CALLED TO TASK AND OUTED.

Too bad, IMO, is this not on natl TV like the Watergate hearings were ~~ maybe that deluded 30% still supports the asshole in the WH would freaking wake up!

that we had a responsible press that would cover all of these hearing. Surely with all the cable channels we have someone could see that the American people had the information it needs and wants.

Thank all of you for your insight into the content of the hearings and for trying to right the wrongs that have been done in the last 6 years.

so he can show talk about it tonight on Countdown

It's only the beginning, only starting. Payback is going to be a wonderful thing to behold, I haven't seen anger like this in the government for so long, if ever it still has my eyes wet.

I was only about 6 years old at the time, but I remember them. I ws old enough to know something very important was going on when everybody was hollering at that nasty little man.

It got like that on the Nixon hearings, too. Wish all you youngsters could have seen old Sam and his eyebrows when he got shittin' at Nixon.

Wat

Wow. Just wow. He was so AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:loveya: :yourock: :headbang: :woohoo: :applause: :patriot: :spray: :bounce: :hippie: B-) :evilgrin: That was just so IMPRESSIVE!!!!

When it is due, like it is right now, they ought to be inundated with call of appreciation for doing their jobs so well.

Yes, it is their jobs, but now, they are doing it VERY WELL.

They need to be taken to task for kissing up while letting America down.

Does anyone have his number? I can't stop to look it up. I'm on the go here.

...I am really for a pacifist getting into this blood letting on Gonzo!

:evilgrin:

I just hope that we don't have some type of "national emergency" before 2:00.
I kind of expect Gonzo to skip the afternoon.
I really do.

senators have complained about not getting requested information from Gonzalez? I know there have been several. It makes all of his promises to "get back to you later" a little hard to believe. He's used to just slithering out of uncomfortable situations. I'm glad he is finally getting nailed.

:shrug:

I had to be away this morning, but reading these threads, I feel as though I was there.

They usually re-run these at night on Cspan1 or 2 if nothing else is happening. I want to see it.

www.c-span.org and at the bottom of the page in the middle is a link to Capitol Hearings...you can follow that link to the hearing schedules, and follow those links to the committee page where you can watch a live webcast. All Senate hearings are webcast.

want to see it!!!

It's a good show - watching Gonzales squirm right now about the anthrax investigation.

:bounce: :cry:

Please click here.

You guys keep up the good work and let me know everything
when I get back.

:loveya:

Oh, here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3147668&mesg_id=3147668