SENATE JUDICIARY Gonzo Grilling Thread #5

I'll take the responibility to put this up since the transission from Wijk aan Zee is a little slow right now.

Somebody fill me in. Have they felt the need to waterboard Torquemada yet?

Thread #1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3145945&mesg_id=3145945
Thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3146404
Thread #3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3146872
Thread #4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3147199&mesg_id=3147199
Webcast URL is here: http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

:D

:rofl: :rofl: :popcorn:

...maybe it is just me, but I had trouble linking from thread 4 to this new thread. Would not click open for me. Could you ck on that just in case it is not just a problem with me?

Thanks.......:hi: Don't want anyone to miss Part II of this ass kicking!

breifly and then I spoke to an assistant.

And maybe for Specter, too. We are Dems....but Specter did a good job and just IMO, it might be nice to let him know that Dems are behind him and Leahy.

Sometimes I have hope for the guy, and then, he goes and does something else dastardly. Turns out he's behind allowing Little Boots to appoint federal attorneys without Congressional approval.

I appreciated his grilling of the Torturer in General about habeas corpus, but dayum...you can't trust Specter.

We've been down this road with Spector before. He takes tiny steps forward and big steps back. He only gives the illusion he's moving in our direction.

and I'm always amazed than anybody still does.

and done with it that is now allowing Bush to perge state prosecutors. two in California announced yesterday they were resigning and being forced out. One in southern Cali who has subpoenas out in the Cunningham investigation. Her name is Lam.

I guess I'm a "you can't fool me thrice" kind of girl.

but I'm glad you're on to him now. :)

And I'm stuck with him for my senator. He's pretty good at talking the talk but bends over for the WH when it's time to walk the walk.

I assume it'll be just as entertaining as the hearings.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

I don't always get CSPAN that well, but this link was great.

No pix, of course, but all of the audio fireworks as well as some interesting non-MSM perspectives from the venerable Larry Bensky and expert guests.

KPFA.org

welcome to DU! :hi:

I'm downloading realplayer now so I can watch. :hi:

.. like we did earlier for folks like Barbara Boxer.

Perhaps something nice that symbolizes courage. I was thinking of a room full of baseballs, to symbolize that he has balls and is throwing hardballs instead of softballs at the scum. But perhaps someone has some other ideas! We need something where we can reuse this gesture for others too. Perhaps send the "backbone" folks to his office with a backbone trophy. I've always liked Leahy since he was the champion of the resistance to the 1996 Telecomm act and it's unconstitutional Communications Decency Act provisions in it that he worked with folks like Paul Wellstone, Russell Feingold, and Paul Simon on. Maybe wait until he goes for the throat and issues a subpoena to someone like Gonzo to do this.

but maybe one.

so if you can't get the judiciary committee stream, have a look at cspan.

Biden and Durbin on the Dems and on the Right, potential fungelical Presidential candidate Sam Brownback.

Maybe they'll show up for the afternoon session. Biden in particular normally finds almost any microphone impossible to resist.

this morning

:hi: "fungelical," I like that, makes him sound like a fungus :)

enjoy the fireworks. Democracy is in the house.

I'm a refugee from another site where I was a long-time (4+ years) poster. It feels odd being a newbie again, but I appreciate the hospitality!

Now go, and never darken my towels again! ;-)

I heard on Pacifica Radio...

Leahy talking now...oops-Pacifica Radio just playing highlights again. Sorry...can't give full attention as I'm monitoring phones at work....

:annoyed:

...but the blurb about a short recess is up on the screen and not hearing any audio.

So...it is not just you.

they thought they were going to the hearings, and then didn't--did highlights instead---sorry, didn't hear it right the first time they said due to having to work....

...I am getting the hearing now ~~ and I just did that.

Grassley talking about Gonzo not getting letters.

Back in session. Leahy at the helm!

something about agriculture, and checking that letters did get through....

Now someone is talking about HC--because the Constitution prohibits Congress from suspending except....now talking about how the 1st Amendment also states things negatively....you wouldn't say that we don't have free speech or religion....why doesn't it apply to HC?

Gonzo--not an express grant of HC -- one of our most cherished rights---an observation about the language....

:pokes gonzo with a stick:

hee hee!

:loveya:

....was listening on KPFK before going back to RT and did not recognize the voice.

phones, please don't ring so I can listen to all of this!

Durbin--talking about prisoners--have we abandoned due process?

EDIT: And Cully Stimson!!!

and is giving dates and times

and his comments about judges not knowing anything about national security so shouldn't be ruling on it.

This is great.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

Then click on the WEBCAST button.

do you have realplayer? if so, the judiciary webcast should work for you. if not, kpfa.org or whatever it is on pacifica has an itunes stream

kpfa.org

Someone from the ACLU.

for G-Mo. because Bush wouldn't cooperate with Congress.

Gonzo did speach to Am. Enterprise Inst.--"Judge will never be in a position to know about national security"...suggesting you've not only abandoned Congress, but also dissing judiciary....now talking about trying to not have lawyers for the accused.

Is this an effort to consolodate power in Executive?

that Bush is in a better position to just deem someone guilty. Sheesh!

A support-the-troops frame.

...and delivered in a great voice!

Fuck that. WTF? I hope Gonzo burns in hell...

NOW YOU ARE AWARE THAT SOMEONE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, GONZO!

He is supposed to represent the people of the United States.

confident thse days. It's so good watching these evil men squirm.
Here coems the new man in town.

Right on!

That was great.

W00t!

He previously served as United States Attorney (1994-1998) and state Attorney General for Rhode Island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Whitehouse

I did not know that either ~~ not even aware that he is an atty.

yes, we let go Chafee and voted in Whitehouse.

there will be no lies GOnzo or you're going to prison.

:grr:

Gonzo: "We already have"

hmmmm....

Not pressuring but he IS new :)

I vote for Step 1 to be "Not lie." That's just me, tho. :eyes:

:rofl:

Go Whitehouse!!!!!

I thought it was the office responsible for prosecuting Federal crimes, not providing counsel to the White House.

Talk about a conflict of interest!!!!!!

Oh Sheldon. Do it! Do it now!

(Harder! Faster!)

:evilgrin:

Sounds like a prosecutor right now.

What a tangled web we weave...

If those "guidelines" are telling witnesses to lie.

...as a former USAtty, Whitehouse KNOWS what he is doing in questioning a witness and IMO this is showing like crazy! Wow!

:)

I'm on dialup so I can't stream any of the coverage - just relying on commentary here on DU...

and bobbing and weaving.

Gonzo's understanding of matters perjury. Whitehouse was great. He politely threatened him re any lies spewed. :D

to get those on record so he can hang him with his own rope.

I predict that he will get the AG in a situation where he will either have to confirm something criminal or disobey his own rules. And if he claims they aren't the rules, Whitehouse will get him on perjury for him having falsely stated those rules under oath.

:bounce:

nails gonzo's a$$ on perjury charges, gonzo is going to be gonzo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Leahy.....

donating legal services to Gitmo detainees.

I bet Gonzo is squirming now. What a rat bastard he is.

edit: sp.

...glad Leahy is hitting on this.

:evilgrin:

...this AM and a recess in the hearing does not absolve Gonzo of being under oath.

and he said he'd testify differently if he wasn't.....

Good, Leahy's getting law professors' comments in the record.

What a disgrace.

just how many issues there are to talk about.

I wanted him sitting funny for a couple of weeks. I wanted him medicated and under a doctor's care. I wanted another round of questions just to see him squirm. Damn. Watching hearings are fun.

heart was pounding. You guys are great commentators. Thanks alot, I feel some hope and justice is going to be done.

don't they work a whole day :shrug:

There's no reason for a Senate hearing to last all day. A lot else is going on. So much that I can't keep up with it all. Our Democratic Congress is ON FIRE today!

:woohoo:

Like...WHAM....I thought there was an afternoon session? This lasted only about 30 mins. Is this it for the day?

so they stopped so they wouldn't have to lose valuable testimony?

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2473

CSPan 1 DeFazio is tracing the rethugs defending the welfare queens - the oil barons. THis is one fine day.

The website had a live stream link.
:hi: I hope you're staying warm and dry today! It's icky and nasty here today! :hi:

its been really yucky.
And I missed the fireworks. I hope it will be repeated.
:hi: How are you doing?

I've got to attend a mayor and commission meeting tonight. I need to get there in time to get a seat out of camera range (the meetings are televised.)

You take care on those Atlanta roadways. The drivers there are crazy fast no matter what the condiitons.

I think that CSPAN will replay this hearing later. I missed the part where Leahy yelled at Gonzo.

It was only a 1/2 hour ago that they re-started.

:shrug:

Hope we find out why later.

at 2:30, something about closed door hearings on Iraq.

Now the sudden closing makes sense.

Someone from the ACLU

... until 1 p.m. PST.
Current guest is from EPIC, the electronic privacy folks.

Here

UPON EDIT: Actually, it's archived in chunks on the page devoted to January 18, 2006.

Senate Dems being super cautious.

Host suggests: super cautious don't reveal anything from secretive * Administration.

Unconscionable that they let Gonzo, who was under oath-to away w/o tougher questions. Biden didn't even show up but he wants us to vote for him for Prez.

Guest: Seasoned experts outed for various reasons and let political appointees to over in positions.

Please click here.

(I tested the link this time.)

Maybe I'll catch it later, but BFD then.