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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:50 PM
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ZOGBY NH POLL: OBAMA PULLS AHEAD OF CLINTON 23% - 19%
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 04:18 PM by Dems Will Win
Obama
23%

Clinton
19%

Edwards
19%

Just a few days ago, Clinton and Obama were tied at 22%. And they are already tied nationally!

Maybe Clinton should just go for Senate Majority Leader instead of getting her clock cleaned by Obama and Edwards.


ATTENTION DU, THIS IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT. EVERY CYCLE THE PROCESS SPEEDS UP. THE FRONT-RUNNER HAS NOW FALLEN A YEAR BEFORE THE PRIMARY TO A TOTALLY NEW FACE. THIS BODES VERY BADLY FOR HILLARY AND WILL BE THE MAIN LEAD SOON IN THE CABLE PUNDIT WORLD


The survey of Democrats shows this race is as fluid as the 2004 race for the Democratic nomination was at this point in that election cycle. Eight in 10 said it is likely they will change their minds before they actually cast their ballots in the primary election.

Showing how fractured New Hampshire Democrats are at this early stage, the three leaders each enjoyed leads in different age groups. Edwards led among those age 30-49, Obama enjoyed an edge among those age 50-64, while Hillary led among those age 65 and older. Those with philosophical differences within the party also preferred different candidates. Among those who consider themselves very liberal, or progressive, Obama is the big star, while Hillary holds a slight edge among liberals. Among moderates, Edwards leads.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1237



OBAMARAMA:



Obama really is Superman when you look at what he has done in just 24 months in the Senate. From his website:


Ethics and Lobbying Reform
Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has been a leader in fighting for open and honest government. During his first year as an Illinois State Senator, he helped lead the fight to pass Illinois' first ethics reform bill in 25 years as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal.

Senator Obama is one of the authors of the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act (S. 2180). The bill would lengthen the cooling off period to two years for lawmakers and staff who seek to become lobbyists, and it would require immediate disclosure as soon as any job negotiations begin. The bill would open conference committee meetings to the public and require that all bills be posted on the Internet for 24 hours before they can be voted on by the Senate. Finally, the bill would end all lobbyist-funded gifts, meals, and travel and strengthen the Senate office that monitors lobbyist disclosure forms.

In addition, Senator Obama has sponsored three other ethics-related bills:

The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act (S. 2259)
The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists. The commission would have the authority to investigate complaints and present public findings of fact about possible violations to the House and Senate Ethics Committee and Justice Department. By taking the initial fact finding out of the hands of members of Congress, who are often reluctant to investigate their colleagues, the bill ensures prompt and fair disposition of public complaints.

To avoid manipulation of the commission for political purposes, any person filing a complaint that they knew to be false would be subject to a fine and/or imprisonment. No complaints could be filed against a member of Congress for 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election.

The bill has been widely endorsed by reform groups. According to Common Cause, "this legislation would do more to reform ethics and lobbying than any other piece of legislation introduced thus far because it goes to the heart of the problem: enforcement." Public Citizen praised Senator Obama "for having the courage to challenge the business-as-usual environment on Capitol Hill and introduce far-reaching legislation." Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington stated: "This is the first bill that deals seriously with the lack of oversight and enforcement in the existing congressional ethics process. . . . This bill will help restore Americans' confidence in the integrity of Congress.

The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act (S. 2261)
The bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) (S. 2179)
The bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations. Conference committee meetings and deliberations would have to be open to the public or televised, and conference reports would have to identify changes made to the bill from the House and Senate versions. Finally, no bill could be considered by the full Senate unless the measure has been made available to all Senators and the general public on the Internet for at least 72 hours.

Health Care
The United States is one of the wealthiest nations in the world, yet more than 45 million Americans have no health insurance. Too many hard-working Americans cannot afford their medical bills, and thus, health-related issues are the number one cause for personal bankruptcy. Too many employers are finding it difficult to offer the coverage their employees need.

Promoting affordable, accessible, and high-quality health care was a priority for Barack Obama in the Illinois State Senate and is a priority for him in the United States Senate. He believes firmly that health care should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for the few.

Medicare

Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act (S. 1841), which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.

Improving Quality of Health Care
Senator Obama is pursuing legislative initiatives to help improve health care quality.

He helped draft and introduce the National MEDiC Act (S. 1784), which promotes patient safety initiatives, including early disclosure and compensation to patients injured by medical errors. He also introduced the Hospital Quality Report Card Act (S. 2359), which will use federal hospital quality reporting requirements to inform and assist patients and other consumers in making their health care decisions.

Senator Obama strongly believes that greater use of health information technology can contain costs and improve the efficiency of our health care system. He introduced the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act (S. 2247), which would leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plans.

Avian Flu
Avian influenza - or bird flu - is a potentially grave health threat to the U.S. and other countries around the world. Senator Obama was an early leader in bringing this problem before Congress and pushing for greater funding to improve preparedness.

Starting in March 2005, he obtained $25 million for international efforts to combat the avian flu and called for an inter-agency task force to immediately address this issue. This funding is now being used to mitigate the effects of the pandemic in Southeast Asia.

Senator Obama introduced the Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act (S. 969), which calls for collaboration and cooperation at the state, national, and international level to ensure preparedness in the event of pandemic influenza. Such preparedness includes the procurement of antivirals, development of effective vaccines, and improvement of the public health infrastructure and medical surge capacity in hospitals.

Senator Obama also worked to push $7.9 billion through the Senate to help the U.S. prepare for the possibility of an avian flu pandemic.

Environmental Health
Senator Obama is deeply concerned with the hazards of lead poisoning. Almost 400,000 children have elevated blood lead levels, including many in Illinois. Over the past year, one of his legislative priorities has been highlighting the problems associated with elevated blood lead levels in children. As a member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, Senator Obama pressured the Environmental Protection Agency to issue long overdue rules for home remodeling and renovation that could prevent 28,000 lead-related illnesses each year, resulting in an annual net economic benefit of more than $4 billion.

In 2005, Senator Obama introduced the Lead Free Toys Act (S. 2048), requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children's product containing lead.

He also introduced the Healthy Communities Act (S. 2047) to identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants. In addition, recognizing the contribution of housing, parks, trails, roadways, and public transportation to healthy lifestyles, Senator Obama introduced the Healthy Places Act (S. 2506) to assess and support improvements to the built environment.

Genomics
Genomics is the study of how a person's genetic makeup affects propensity for disease and response to treatment. Research in this area has the potential to predict which people will get sick, diagnose illnesses earlier, and screen patients to determine which drugs will be safe and effective. In August 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act of 2006 (S. 3822), which would increase funding for research on genomics, expand the genomics workforce, provide a tax credit for the development of diagnostic tests that can improve the safety or effectiveness of drugs, and reaffirm the need to protect genetic privacy.


Environment
Lead
Since coming to Washington, Senator Obama has made the elimination of childhood lead poisoning one of his top priorities.

Lead is also present in many children's products. In 2003 and 2004, nearly 150 million pieces of toy jewelry were recalled because of toxic levels of lead. To address this problem, Senator Obama introduced the Lead-Free Toys Act (S. 2048) to require the Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban any children's product containing lead.

Senator Obama is also an original cosponsor of the Home Lead Safety Tax Credit Act (S. 2053), which would provide tax credits to property owners who eliminate or contain paint hazards in homes where low-income young children or women of child-bearing age live.

Great Lakes
The Great Lakes store one-fifth of the world's surface water, and Lake Michigan alone provides drinking water for an estimated six million residents in Illinois. The Great Lakes are also important for recreation, transportation, and economic development. To preserve this national treasure, Senator Obama has been a strong supporter of the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration and is a cosponsor of the Great Lakes Environmental Restoration Act (S. 508).

One of the greatest threats facing the Great Lakes is aquatic invasive species. Senator Obama was successful in ensuring that Illinois receives adequate federal funding to operate a barrier to prevent Asian carp from entering Lake Michigan and disrupting the balance of the lake's ecosystem.

Global Climate Change
In addition to protecting the quality of the air we breathe, Senator Obama believes the U.S. needs to do more to reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change. He is a cosponsor of the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act (S. 1151), which was introduced by Senators McCain and Lieberman.

Mercury

Sampling conducted by the Tribune showed surprisingly high levels of mercury concentrations in freshwater and saltwater fish purchased in the Chicago area. The Tribune series also reported on how existing programs at the Food and Drug Administration and EPA have failed to adequately test and evaluate mercury levels in fish.

To address this problem, Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) . These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Destroying Surplus and Unguarded Conventional Weapons

After visiting weapons stockpiles in Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan, Senators Lugar and Obama introduced S. 2566, which would expand the cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons. The Lugar-Obama bill would energize the U.S. program against unsecured lightweight anti-aircraft missiles and other conventional weapons and would strengthen the ability of America's allies to detect and interdict illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction. Funding would be provided to eliminate unsecured conventional weapons and assist countries in improving their ability to detect and interdict materials and weapons of mass destruction.

Health Care
Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation's troops. It is Senator Obama's goal for each separating service member to receive a secure electronic copy of his or her military and medical records at the time of discharge to smooth the transition to the Department of Veterans' Affairs health care system.

Traumatic Brain Injury
As a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has been tracking the high incidence of Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) among the veterans returning home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. TBI is being called the signature injury of the Iraq war. Often caused by the shock wave of improvised explosive devices, TBI can result in permanent brain damage. In order to ensure that these returning heroes receive appropriate medical attention, Senator Obama passed legislation in the Senate that requires all soldiers to be assessed for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) after they return from deployments.

Emergency Preparedness
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Senator Obama introduced legislation to prevent another tragedy in which the poor and elderly are left behind during a natural disaster or terrorist attack. His proposal, which was included in the recent port security law, requires states and localities to have emergency evacuation plans in place that take into account the special needs of senior citizens.

Fighting the Spread of Methamphetamines
Senator Obama cosponsored the Combat Meth Act (S. 103) which provides more money for fighting methamphetamines, tightens up control on the sale of meth ingredients, and provides assistance to children of meth abusers. The legislation would limit access to cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine, the primary ingredient used to make methamphetamine. This bill passed the Senate on September 15, 2005, and was signed into law.

Senator Obama has supported greater funding to fight meth through the use of Byrne Justice Assistance Grants. The Byrne Grant program provides important funding to many local Illinois law enforcement groups. For example, the Southern Illinois Enforcement Group (SIEG), a meth taskforce that polices 31 Illinois counties, pays for 5 of its 12 agents through Byrne grants. During Senate consideration of the Department of Justice funding bill, Senator Obama cosponsored an amendment to raise Byrne funding to $900 million in 2006; the amendment passed the Senate.

Support for Local Law Enforcement
Senator Obama has been a strong supporter of efforts to increase funding and support for our local law enforcement. He supported the reauthorization of the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program in the 109th Congress (PL 109-162) and supports efforts to increase COPS funding. The COPS program provides local law enforcement funding for: (1) hiring and training law enforcement officers; (2) procuring equipment and support systems (3) paying officers to perform intelligence, anti-terror, or homeland security duties; and (4) developing new technologies, including interoperable communications and forensic technology. Since 1994, the COPS program has funded more than 5,800 additional police officers and sheriffs deputies in Illinois and over $45 million in crime fighting technology assistance.

Sex Offenders
Senator Obama cosponsored Dru's Law (S. 792) which creates a nationwide sex offender database and requires greater monitoring of sex offenders upon their release from prison. The bill passed the Senate on July 28, 2005.

He also cosponsored the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act. This bill increases the penalties for sex crimes against children under the age of 12, and creates a national Internet site known as the National Sex Offender Public Registry. The bill will also provide grants to local law enforcement to assist in preventing and investigating sex crimes against minors.

Violence Against Women Act
Senator Obama cosponsored extension of Violence Against Women Act (S. 1197), which passed the Senate on October 4, 2005, and was signed into law. The Act provides increased funds to law enforcement to combat violence against women. It also establishes a sexual assault services program and provides grants for education programs to prevent domestic violence and encourage reporting of abuses.

Security for Federal Judges
After the horrific murder of an Illinois federal judge's mother and husband, Senator Obama and Senator Durbin worked together to beef up security at our federal courthouses. The Illinois senators secured $12 million to improve security for federal judges. Senator Obama also joined Senator Durbin in requesting a Government Accountability Office investigation into additional steps that can be taken to protect judges.

The Senate Immigration Bill
Senator Obama played a key role in the crafting of the immigration reform bill that the Senate passed in May 2006. The bill, which President Bush supports, would provide more funds and technology for border security and prevent employers from skirting our laws by hiring illegal immigrants. The bill also would provide immigrants who are now contributing and responsible members of society an opportunity to remain in the country and earn citizenship. But not all illegal immigrants would be guaranteed the right to remain in the U.S. under this proposal; they would first have to pay a substantial fine and back taxes, learn English, satisfy a work requirement, and pass a criminal background check.

Senator Obama offered three amendments that were included in the Senate bill. The first amendment strengthens the requirement that a job be offered at a prevailing wage to American workers before it is offered to a guestworker. The second amendment makes it simple, but mandatory, for employers to verify that their employees are legally eligible to work in the United States. And the third amendment authorizes $3 million a year for the FBI to improve the speed and accuracy of the background checks required for immigrants seeking to become citizens.


Chemical Plant Security
Senator Obama, working with Senator Lautenberg, introduced tough legislation to drastically improve security at our nation's chemical plants. The Chemical Safety and Security Act (S. 2486) would establish a clear set of federal regulations that all plants must follow. Plants that are considered a high risk to large population areas or critical infrastructure would face more stringent standards. The bill requires chemical facilities to take steps to enhance security, including improving barriers, containment, mitigation, and safety training, and, where possible, using safer technology, such as less toxic chemicals or safer procedures.

Transit Security
Senator Obama is deeply concerned about the safety of the millions of Americans who use our nation's public transportation systems everyday. Unfortunately, non-aviation security has been under-funded since the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, and our subways and buses remain vulnerable. Only days after the July 2005 bombings in London, England, Senator Obama cosponsored and voted for an amendment that would have increased rail and transit security by $1.2 billion. Although that amendment was defeated, Senator Obama remains committed to improving rail and transit security.

Disaster Response
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, improving our nation's emergency planning and response capacity has become a priority for Senator Obama. He has introduced legislation to ensure that the mistakes witnessed before and after Katrina are not repeated in the future. Senator Obama's legislation includes provisions to establish a national family locator system for missing persons, a mobile corps of volunteer health professions, and mandatory planning for the emergency evacuation of people with special needs, including low-income individuals, the elderly, and the disabled.

Terrorism Risk Insurance
Senator Obama cosponsored the extension of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (which became Public Law 109-144). The Act provides important protections to real estate in large cities such as Chicago.

Nuclear Waste
Within the past five years, three nuclear power plants have reported missing spent fuel. Senator Obama introduced the Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act (S. 1194), which would establish specific and uniform guidelines for tracking, controlling, and accounting for individual spent fuel rods or segments at nuclear power plants, including procedures for conducting physical inventories. These provisions were included in S. 864, which passed the Senate Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee on June 8, 2005.

Drinking Water Security
Senator Obama drafted an amendment, which was included in the Safe Drinking Water Act, which passed the EPW Committee on July 20, 2005. The Obama amendment would provide $37.5 million over the next five years to protect the country's drinking water from a terrorist attack. It also instructs Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control to develop the tools needed by drinking water systems to detect and respond to the introduction of biological, chemical, and radiological contaminants by terrorists.

Primary & Secondary Education
Senator Obama has introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act (S. 2441). Under this initiative, school districts would submit plans on how they would become centers of reform. Twenty districts nationwide would be selected based on the best plans to increase achievement for all students and put effective teachers in all classrooms. These districts would receive substantial federal resources but would be required to implement systemic reforms and show convincing results.

Differences in learning opportunities during the summer contribute to the achievement gaps that separate struggling poor and minority students from their middle-class peers. Senator Obama introduced the Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act (STEP UP) (S. 2149) to address the achievement gaps among schoolchildren in the early grades. STEP UP establishes a grant program to support summer learning opportunities to be offered by local schools or community organizations.

Post-Secondary Education
Senator Obama believes that every high school graduate should have the opportunity to go to college or vocational school. Student loans provide critical financial aid for many Americans. Not long ago, financial aid was primarily in the form of grants. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case. Graduates now have more and more difficulty keeping up with loan payments. At a minimum, our government has the responsibility to ensure that the most affordable and sensible loans are available to our students. But government and students are not the only ones who need to act. Tuition costs have been rising at an average rate of 8% per year, well above the overall rate of inflation. Colleges and universities must also do their part to rein in costs and pass those savings on to students.

To address this problem, Barack Obama's first bill as a U.S. Senator was the HOPE Act (Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act) (S.697), which would help make college more affordable for many Americans. The bill would increase the maximum Pell Grant from the current limit of $4,050 to a new maximum of $5,100.

Veterans Benefits Disparities
Following reports in December 2004 that Illinois veterans have for decades ranked nearly last in average disability pay received, Senator Obama led efforts to uncover the reasons for this disparity and to correct it. As a result of this pressure, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) opened an investigation into the matter, agreed to hire a dozen new claims specialists for the Chicago regional office, and agreed to re-examine the claims of Illinois veterans who felt they have been treated unfairly. Senators Obama and Durbin introduced an amendment that became law requiring the VA to notify Illinois veterans about their right to seek a review of their past claims. The resulting outreach to Illinois veterans in the summer of 2006, led to an increase in the number of Illinois veterans getting the benefits and services they deserve.

Greater Funding for Veterans Health Care
As early as February 2005, Senator Obama warned of a shortfall in the VA budget. Four months later, the VA reported that in fact it had more than a $1 billion shortfall. Senator Obama cosponsored a bill that led to a $1.5 billion increase in veterans' medical care. During the debate on the Fiscal Year 2007 budget, Senator Obama cosponsored measures that would have provided additional funding increases for veterans.

In September 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988) to improve the VA’s planning process to avoid budget shortfalls in the future. The bill requires the VA and the Department of Defense to work together and share data so that we know precisely how many troops will be returning home and entering the VA system.

Homeless Veterans
Every year, 400,000 veterans across the country, including an estimated 38,000 in Chicago, spend some time living on the streets. Senator Obama has been a leader in fighting homelessness among veterans. He authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) (S. 1180) to strengthen and expand federal homeless veteran programs that serve over 100,000 homeless veterans annually. During the debate on the Fiscal Year 2007 budget, Senator Obama passed an amendment to increase funding for homeless veterans programs by $40 million. These funds would benefit programs that provide food, clothing, mental health and substance abuse counseling, and employment and housing assistance to homeless veterans.

In June 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Homes for Heroes Act (S. 3475), which would expand access to long-term affordable housing for homeless veterans by setting aside $225 million to purchase, build or rehabilitate homes and apartments for veterans. The legislation would also greatly expand existing veterans rental assistance programs and create a new office within the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to coordinate services to homeless veterans.

Food for Recovering Soldiers
Senator Obama introduced an amendment that became law providing food services to wounded veterans receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services at military hospitals. Previously, service members receiving physical therapy or rehabilitation services in a medical hospital for more than 90 days were required to pay for their meals.

Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and TBI
Senator Obama fought a VA proposal that would have required a reexamination of all PTSD cases in which full benefits were granted. He and Senator Durbin passed an amendment that has become law preventing the VA from conducting a review of cases, without first providing Congress with a complete report regarding the implementation of such review. In November 2005, the VA announced that it was abandoning its planned review.

Senator Obama passed an amendment to ensure that all service members returning from Iraq are properly screened for Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). TBI is being called the signature injury of the Iraq war. The blast from improvised explosive devices can jar the brain, causing bruising or permanent damage. Concussions can have huge health effects including slowed thinking, headaches, memory loss, sleep disturbance, attention and concentration deficits, and irritability.

Easing the Transition to the VA
Senator Obama passed an amendment that became law requiring the Department of Defense (DOD) to report to Congress on the delayed development of an electronic medical records system compatible with the VA's electronic medical records system. DOD's delay in developing such a system has created obstacles for service members transitioning into the VA health care system.

In September 2006, Senator Obama introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act (S. 3988) which would help veterans transition from the DOD health system to the VA system by extending the window in which new veterans can get mental health care from two years to five years. The Lane Evans bill also would improve transition services for members of the National Guard and Reserves.

http://obama.senate.gov/issues /


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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:52 PM
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1. Somehow Hillary just doesn't come across as a leader.
Maybe it's all of the following, posturing, and cowardice.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:19 PM
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10. "Hillary is the frontrunner" is a media-created image
spearheaded by that vindictive squirrel Dick Morris. The REPUBLICANS have selected her as the Dem nominee on '08. Y'all know that because FUX NEWS says it - must be troo!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:54 PM
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2. IOW a total dead heat. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:54 PM
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3. It's a year until the campaign season even starts!
Goddamn!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:20 PM
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11. Yea, maybe if this were 1960
Campaign season starts in January the year before now because it costs so much money to run for President.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:41 PM
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18. Well fuck that shit.
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 04:45 PM by Deep13
I'm not paying any attention or giving a dime until Super Tuesday. This constant electioneering is leaving no time for actual governance. When do they stop being candidates and start working? This is a very recent thing too, so your 1960 reference is misplaced at best and probably sarcastic. It wasn't like this until the 21st century.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:44 PM
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27. This started far before the 21st century
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 10:45 PM by Hippo_Tron
1976 is the last time I can think of candidates entering after the Iowa Caucus. By 1988 and certainly by 1992 things had started up in the summer the year before the primaries. Maybe going all the way back to January to announcing is new, but primaries have basically been wrapped up by Super Tuesday since its creation.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:54 PM
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4. This is just silly!
Hillary is probably at the bottom of the list of candidates that I want, but Obama is purely a media creation at this point in the race. Simmer down here.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:55 PM
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5. Let me take a wild guess here...
you like Obama for prez ?????? :rofl: me too !
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:06 PM
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7. I like his experience. Community activist, first thing he organized was a recyling drive,
only major candidate against the war in 2002 (shows good judgement), better speaker than JFK, wants to transform politics, the country and the world.

Don't like his support of coal-to-liquid program but love the bill he's going to introduce for a phased re-deployment of troops out of Iraq.

I was for Edwards as number 1, but now it's Obama with Edwards for VP.

After all, Obama has 2 years more elected office experience than Edwards has and WON a tougher primary race than Edwards LOST.

But basically I like both, but I feel Edwards still has a tiny bit of overt politician left in him that comes across, whereas Obama is a more consummate artist, because he leaves you feeling truly inspired, not letting hardly any political ambition and second-guessing come through.

I think Osama has to put out not a plan but some better ideas than what he has so far or he will be a flash in the pan.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:16 PM
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25. Osama?
:wtf: lol....I hope that was a typo
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:02 PM
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6. Obama, a breath of fresh-young air- I feel better already just knowing he'll be running!!!!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:09 PM
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8. That picture is a hoot.
It is great having dems like Obama on our side
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:15 PM
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9. His record is a hoot - Ethics, Environment, Education, Health Care, etc.
Take a look above.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:25 PM
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12. ATTENTION DU: This is not important. It's within the margin of error and too early. nt
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citygal Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:26 PM
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13. Wow - I know it's early but that is really encouraging!
I like Hillary, but it would be difficult for me to get really excited about her presidential campaign. (She would be great at Majority Leader.) Obama, on the other hand, is fresh and new. Plus, most of the country knows very little about him. So the fact that he is pulling these numbers already is a pretty big deal. Everyone has an opinion on Hillary.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:27 PM
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14. Clinton does have convictions! She supported the war long after it was
popular to do so.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:27 PM
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15. that's excellent for Obama but it seems that Edwards gained ground as well
and tied for 2nd with Hillary.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:39 PM
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17. Correct about Edwards, Hillary may end up in third in NH if this keeps up!
That may stop her from running, altho I doubt it.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:29 PM
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16. Zogby polls are not credible
They fucked up during the 2006 election. That said, I hope this poll is true (I'm leading towards Edwards, Clark or Obama in no particular order) since having Hillary behind may give her an incentive not to run...but I'll take this poll with a huge grain of salt.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:01 PM
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19. The story here (if any) is Fightin' John Edwards!!!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:05 PM
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20. Do the words "President Dean" ring a bell?
Because that's certainly what DU was expecting throughout most of 2003.

:eyes:
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:20 PM
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21. Looks bad for Hillary, but I really don't think she had a chance anyways
As far as the other candidates are concerned this poll really doesn't mean much. The only reason it is bad for Hillary is that when you couple this with the Iowa polls she is not looking like she has much of a chance in either state, especially considering that she has the highest name recognition of all the candidates.

Obama will likely drop in the polls, an announcement always produces a great deal of excitement although in most cases that excitement simmers down after a few days. And if Gore jumps into the race you are going to see some big shifts.

So the only person who this poll is really significant for is Hillary, it is way too early to predict much else.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:25 PM
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23. Edwards/Obama. Edwards tied for second in NH, ist in Iowa Looking good!
That truly is the news in this poll - Edwards' surprising strength in NH.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:25 PM
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22. Hillary is NOT the "front runner". She never was. The only place there's a clear front runner is DU.
Wanna know what his name is?

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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:37 PM
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24. Polls are entirely meaningless at this point
many of the campaigns haven't even started yet or they're in such early stages that it's incredibly difficult what will happen in the long-run, or even the short run at this point. Hillary, for example, hasn't even been to NH, and Obama and many of the other candidates haven't yet been there in official capacities.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:19 PM
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26. Let me check my calendar
Oh yup, it's still January 2007. :eyes:
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