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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:46 PM
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Is it possible that moron* invaded iraq at saudi arabia's bidding?
nothing about the invasion makes any sense. all of his* straw arguments have fallen away.

yet, there was that infamous quote by chaney, something along the lines of, "there is no negotiating the american way of life" or something like that.

Perhaps he was alluding to not about going in and taking the oil from iraq, but jumping through the hoops of the saudi's to keep our oil flowing?

who would benefit most by saddam being out of play? I would think the saudi's. Same with Iran.

I'm just spit balling here, throwing around a theory.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:48 PM
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1. No - Saudis are Sunni like Saddam
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bigendian Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:51 PM
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2. That's right.
If anything, Cheney made a deal to contain and possibly attack Iran so we could deal with the Shia in Iraq.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:02 PM
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8. And don't forget ...
Israel's bidding too...although never mentioned much because it would be ...uh...antisemitic..I believe...but darn tootin' Israel has a stake in all this as well...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:52 PM
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3. Yeah I thought about that, but I was thinking more along the lines
that they didn't care for saddam and they certainly don't like the shiites, but it had to do with more of keeping border tensions down (didn't work out so well lol) and keeping the shiites down as well (that didn't work out either)

Like I said, just a theory.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:04 PM
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9. The Saudis are Wahhabi, or I think that they now call it Salafi.
They are fundamentalists. It has always been known that the moderate Sunnis like Iraq and Turkey threatened them.
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:26 PM
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12. And Bush is Christian
Doesn't mean anything . . . at least in Bush's case.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 12:12 AM
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14. I don't understand what you mean. To me, saying that all
Muslim are either Sunni or Shi'a is like saying all Christians are either Catholic or Protestant.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:49 PM
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13. Saddam was the al Saud Clan and Wahhabis' bete noir.
Sunni aside, Saddam was a Baathist, who promoted Arab unity, anti-monarchy, and "Arab Socialism." He saw himself as the Napoleon of the Mideast, uniting all Arabic speakers into a secular, modern, state with no more sheiks, sharifs, mullahs or amirs.
But he ran Iraq much as Saudi Arabia is run by the al Saud and allied clans, allied thru marriages. In Hussein's case, it was the al Tikritis, people from his extended family and hometown.
The extreme Muslims of Saudi Arabia see people like him almost in the same eyes as they do the "Persian infidels" of Iran and Shiite Iraq.
Saddam had Baathist high ranking ministers, such as Tariq Azia, a Christian, as Foreign Minister, and the guy who got hanged last week with Saddam's brother (whose name I forget) a Shiite, as head of the secret police court.
Saddam being a Sunni Muslim has little to do with any possible support he might have received from S.A. in my opinion. His disavowal of Shariah and accepting secular values trump any commonality they might have felt.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:55 PM
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4. When Dimson was first considering invading Iraq,
Cheney took a tour of Middle Eastern Countries. I distinctly remember that the Saudi Royalty urged him to convince Dear Leader to fully address the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before considering military action toward Iraq. But did they listen?!?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:55 PM
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5. No, this was dreamed up on the
Neocon's own.

Now, the "Mission Accomplished" banner was very likely a message to Bin Laden telling him that US troops were out of the Saudi kingdom, just as OBL had demanded.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:55 PM
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6. Publicly, the Saudis were opposed to the invasion in 2003.
But, they didn't resist it very hard. Today, the situation next door threatens to destabilize their rich, little kingdom with it's big oil fields and growing underclass.

Their days are probably numbered, no matter how much money they have. Probably, because of it.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 05:59 PM
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7. Saddam was already keeping most of Iraq's oil off the market
And the Sunni's had all the control and wealth in Iraq - I don't see the Saudi's gaining anything
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:09 PM
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10. Reasons with the benefit of seeing this unfold

1) Control of Oil Supply -- Instead of seeking oil independence Bush-Cheney, oil business addicts and control freaks, sought to steal Iran's vast oil wealth.

1a) Big Oil working hand in glove with Bush-Cheney saw big money.

1b) Threat to Israel for many reason the U.S./Israel relationship was out to take out all threats.

2) War Profiters. Cheney's Haliburton, and all the big arms makers Grumman, North American Rockwell, General Electric...

3) Dumbya's goofy notions:
a) Revenge
b) Out-doing Dad
c) Legacy
d) NeoCon Dreams of projecting Tough guy image
4) Threat to Saudi's Oil monopoly as Saddam could have swamped the market just as the Saudi's are in need of funds.

5) Change from Oil Dollars to Euro basis.
6) Others.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:18 PM
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11. Just for mere speculation
try this one. What kept the Israeli's from retaliating for Sadaam's skud missiles that
were fired into Israel during Desert Storm? Could there have been a secret obligation
made by Bush 1, and "dim son" now carrying out that obligation. Have tossed this one
around for a good while now and keep wondering. It is just against the policy of Israel
not to respond to any such attacks.
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