"We can't impeach Bush because Cheney would be worse?" Bullshit.

Cheney already runs the country through his little puppet. Things aren't likely to get worse if we just take away the puppet. Instead, Cheney would have to speak for himself, face it--and Sneer has never been as popular as Smirk. That's why they've got Smirk out in front right now.

Whether Smirk stays or falls is of little import in policy. The thing most to be gained from impeaching the little turd is that it would force a helluva lot of dirty linen out into public view, destroy whatever is left of Bush-as-Jeeeesus, and maybe so disgust people with the Puggies and their corporate masters that out of the general revulsion we could maybe get something of a clean start with a liberal/progressive party.

justice first. The rest will sort itself out.

Cheney will not become president. He has about the same chances that Spiro had.

We need to impeach the chimp for the distraction it will cause. I don't even care if it works. We need to give him something to focus on other than invading foreign countries and destroying our Social Security.

Any investigation that implicated Bush would also implicate the real master of the plans, Cheney. That's why there will never be an investigation or impeachment. I can't think of even one Republican House member that would even consider beginning an impeachment investigation.

There is nothing worse than not holding criminals accountable.

Bush has a strong following of numskulls who "just like him" regardless of what he does. Cheney lacks any sort of charm to hide behind. He would be an improvement.

The other thing to be gained by impeaching Bush is just to send the very important message that his behavior in a President will not be tolerated. For the sake of our country's future, we'd better send that message!

he is giving to our children. Some role model, eh?

I just think their fiasco is so complicated and interwoven, it would take forever to unravel so we could get to the truth.

Nixon was a saint, compared to this crew.

Bush is like the triumph of people whose superego never got control of their id (if I've got my Freud right). Bush is stuck at the stage of a small child who wants what he wants NOW, has a fit when he's told no, and blames his transgressions on his imaginary friend.

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and removed from office for their crimes?

I sure hope not! As they BOTH are guilty as sin.

we will impeach crash cart

if the Dems dare to stand up against these fascists bastards.

They nailed him first in order to go after Nixon.

I think the Nixon crew fed Agnew to the wolves hoping to sate the bloodlust of the torch & pitchfork crowd. Didn't work.

"boxed"--he (or she) will not be able to make a move without a high degree of criticism and observation. The heightened awareness that comes from the impeachment process, or the resignation to avoid same, will constrain the successor to such a degree that the function will be as a caretaker only, stripped of power and having to answer to a riled-up Congress, who, though they like their powers, are not necessarily thrilled at having to work all that hard.

So, if it is President Cheney, or President Hastert, or President Pelosi, for that matter, it will be a "minding the store/healing the nation" exercise. Remember Jerry Ford, after all--he did OK in the wound-healing department, but when he tried to W.I.N.--Whip Inflation Now!!! (Am I the only one who remembers those stupid-ass buttons?)--he got solidly trounced by a peanut farmer from Georgia.

I remember that WIN business too.

AS for the peanut farmer, it didn't take long for him to get pulled down & then it was back to business as usual with some old burned-out actor playing President while the corruption & lawless empire-building got back on track. This time they did a better job at coverups of their secret hostage deal with Khomeini, Iran-Contra, etc.

He was, sadly, too damn honest. His refusal to abandon the Shah, and the Iran hostage thing did him in (I got out of Iran right before that crap went down) and the Desert 1 fiasco was a knife in his heart. That whole mess could have been avoided if they had done it right--everyone on the same comm gear, USAF do air cover from high altitude ONLY, USN do the insert ONLY, Army--with altitude set appropriately for their helos and screens on the intakes, like the guys at Bell Helicopter had been doing over there since they started up ops for the Shah--do the extraction, again EXCLUSIVELY...but no...the damn JCS all whined and cried and demanded a piece of the pie; they all had to be part of the recovery so they could all be heroes. Success has many fathers, failure belonged to old Jimmy.

The only good thing about that clusterfuck was that it began an era of Jointness and interoperability that continues to this day, but damn, what a disaster. Had that mission been successful, Carter might have been forgiven for austerity measures needed in cleaning up the "whip inflation" mess, as well as making people drive 55 and wear sweaters at home. It probably still would have been a squeaker, but some old actor yammering about Morning in America would have had a tougher go of it had the Desert 1 disaster been a decisive, whoop-it-up, God Bless AMERICA, YEE fucking HAW, military triumph. Even people who didn't like Carter would have said, well, he showed that Ayatullah who's boss, and pulled the lever for him.

within 6 months of taking office.

;)

hence only six years later the "Reagan Revolution."

What we need is whatever best implodes the GOP - so that the "cause" isn't percieved to be one or two figures (in this case bush and/or cheney) but the whole party; their policies; and their system of political philosophy that drives bankrupting our country and most of its citizens closer to reality with each passing day.

Will impeachment do it? Not sure. Convince me that the process would deal a knock out blow to the whole RW and GOP party - so that they won't just reemerge one or two election cycles later - stronger than ever... and I will be behind it. Or convince me that another year of one-party rule will make the GOP in congress just as distrusted as BUshco is becoming in the WH - then I will not support impeachment at this time.

He won't be in power that long. With some luck he'll get the big one and no electronic heart devices are going to bring him back. Goodby and good riddance Dick. You'll now be in the pit of Hell with your Master.